About those peaceful antifa protests...

[viper37]

Quebec city:
http://tinyurl.com/y84kkxut
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/08/20/deux-manifestations-attendues-a-quebec

Boston:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2017/aug/20/boston-rally
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/19/boston-protest-free-speech-rally


It's a good way to convince everyone about the "peaceful" intentions of the left.   Violently attack the police and the anti-immigration protesters who aren't committing any act of violence.  That is very convincing.

In both case, the number of counter protesters dwarfs the anti-immigration crowd.  Hadn't it been for violence, their message would have been heard and the anti-immigration crowd would have simply looked like fools.

[Razgovory]

Do you want to give it a rest?

[garbon]

Do you want to give it a rest?

Yeah a bit odd given the official Boston gov't position on the Boston demonstration.

http://www.wcvb.com/article/man-driving-forklift-falls-through-sidewalk-into-underground-garage/12038359

Of the estimated 40,000 attendees, Boston Police said 33 were arrested for charges including assault and battery on police officers. Three people were found wearing ballistic vests, and one of those was armed, Police Commissioner William Evans said.

"99.9 percent of the people here were here for the right reason, and that is to fight bigotry and hate," Evans said.

"I want to thank everyone who came here to express themselves in such a positive, great manner today," said Mayor Marty Walsh.

[Josquius]

Nobody doubts there are violent far left people out there.
As an issue they are however nothing compared to the far right
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-trump-gets-wrong-about-antifa/537048/

For starters, while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn't perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do. It's no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville. According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent

[Grinning_Colossus]

From the Boston gallery:

While there were isolated cases of white nationalists and rally-goers being threatened, or chased by counter-protesters, these instances were largely stopped by other counter-protesters, who protected them.

[Grey Fox]

Why do we need to be peaceful?

[Ancient Demon]

According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent

That doesn't make any sense. The murder of five cops last year by a BLM supporter would itself almost be 2 percent of that total. There were other political murders by leftists this year too. Somehow I don't think these and others are being counted.

[Ancient Demon]

Of the estimated 40,000 attendees, Boston Police said 33 were arrested for charges including assault and battery on police officers. Three people were found wearing ballistic vests, and one of those was armed, Police Commissioner William Evans said.

I suspect very few of those 40,000 were Antifa members, so why is viper37 wrong to imply that Antifa were violent?

[Valmy]

Antifa seems to me to be a vigilante group out to save us from fascism because the police are incapable. Vigilantism of any stripe is dangerous. I am not sure what else needs to be said really.

[Jacob]

According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent

That doesn't make any sense. The murder of five cops last year by a BLM supporter would itself almost be 2 percent of that total. There were other political murders by leftists this year too. Somehow I don't think these and others are being counted.

According to the ADL they do include the police murders: https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/murder-and-extremism-in-the-united-states-in-2016

If you don't believe them, the report is available via the link I posted, but the summary explicitly mentions the recent police murders. The report itself, however, also calls out 2016 as being unusual in the number of murders not being dominated by right wing extremists.

[Valmy]

Yeah but Antifa (and BLM) provides the necessary 'whataboutism' cover. Tamas explained all about how that worked in Hungary. Whatever your opponents accuse you of, accuse them of the same thing. I have seen memes saying that Antifa is the 'armed wing of the Democratic Party' now. It is uncanny how it works just like Tamas said.

[Jacob]

Yeah but Antifa (and BLM) provides the necessary 'whataboutism' cover. Tamas explained all about how that worked in Hungary. Whatever your opponents accuse you of, accuse them of the same thing. I have seen memes saying that Antifa is the 'armed wing of the Democratic Party' now. It is uncanny how it works just like Tamas said.

They'll do that no matter what though. Your American rightists have a long history of taking their own sins and claiming the left has them too - seems to me the vigour with which they do so is unrelated to any factual basis (sometimes there is one, sometimes it seems entirely manufactured).

[DGuller]

Yeah but Antifa (and BLM) provides the necessary 'whataboutism' cover. Tamas explained all about how that worked in Hungary. Whatever your opponents accuse you of, accuse them of the same thing. I have seen memes saying that Antifa is the 'armed wing of the Democratic Party' now. It is uncanny how it works just like Tamas said.

Worked for Putin before that.  Or even Soviets, for that matter.

[Josquius]

According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent

That doesn't make any sense. The murder of five cops last year by a BLM supporter would itself almost be 2 percent of that total. There were other political murders by leftists this year too. Somehow I don't think these and others are being counted.

2% of 372 is 7-8.
An incident where 5 are dead fits.

Also even though that incident is included for the left it wasn't BLMs doing, it was a black nationalist

[garbon]

Of the estimated 40,000 attendees, Boston Police said 33 were arrested for charges including assault and battery on police officers. Three people were found wearing ballistic vests, and one of those was armed, Police Commissioner William Evans said.

I suspect very few of those 40,000 were Antifa members, so why is viper37 wrong to imply that Antifa were violent?

Because it seems like a distraction. The actions of a few throwing rocks and urine distracts you from the many thousands who participated in what Boston's government says was a pretty great demonstration of American values?