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PewDiePie - troll, racist, both?

Started by Syt, February 16, 2017, 09:54:38 AM

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Syt

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/pewdiepie-racism-alt-right/

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QuotePewDiePie Was Always Kinda Racist—But Now He's a Hero to Nazis

YOUTUBE STAR PEWDIEPIE'S fall from grace riled up his 53 million subscribers, but unless you're a Gen-Z video gamer, you may find the name splashed across many a headline this week unfamiliar. Lucky you. After the Wall Street Journal reported on his pattern of using anti-Semitic jokes in his videos, Disney's Maker Studios cut ties with the internet celeb and YouTube canceled the second season of his streaming reality show. People might applaud what look like swift measures, but the moves are long overdue.

PewDiePie—the online alter-ego of 27-year-old Swede Felix Kjellberg—is famous for two things: outsized reactions to the games he plays, and trolling. Given the impossibility of knowing whether he means what he says, you can't always know how to respond when he does something like, say, hire people to hold up a sign saying "Death to all Jews." His fans take him seriously, but not literally; his critics take him literally, but not seriously. Sort of like another divisive figure in the news these days.

But PewDiePie started racking up questionable jokes almost from the start of his YouTube career nearly seven years ago. Given that long tradition, and the fact he recently claimed that YouTube discriminates against him because he's white, his fanbase goes beyond gamers. PewDiePie has become a bona fide white supremacist hero.

Hiding Behind "LOL JK"

PewDiePie enjoys extraordinary popularity. His YouTube audience exceeds the subscriber base of Hulu, Apple Music, and the New York Times combined. Fans adore him because he embodies so much of what YouTube—and, really, the internet—loves: zaniness, rough-at-the-edges authenticity, and deadpan mockery.

That mix, though, often leads to a classic internet problem. "Offline you have context clues. You know if someone is going to punch you in the face, right?" says Whitney Phillips, author of This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things: Mapping the Relationship Between Online Trolling and Internet Culture. "But on the internet, you can't tell if something was intended as a joke, or a sincere expression." Offensive "humor" further confuses the mix: While it's important to call out things like racism, sexism, ableism, and homophobia, doing so plays into trolls' hands. They insist they aren't spouting hatred, only proving that you can't take a joke.

PewDiePie long ago mastered this move. He uses "gay," "retard," and "autistic" as playful insults. He makes plenty of rape jokes. And spews out all kinds of racist stuff, too. Take, for example, his commentary in this 2011 let's-play video that includes the Swedish version of the N-word.

In the subtitles, he translates the word as "black," but it's hard to argue the word he uses is anything but a racial slur. (The Swedish Ornithological Society even renamed birds to eliminate any reference to the term.) Another Swedish YouTube user pointed this out and criticized PewDiePie for using the term— but PewDiePie's supporters, who call themselves the Bro Army, didn't care. Neither did YouTube.

He used the N-word again, in English, in this video posted last month.

His fans' negative reactions spawned two hashtag movements on Twitter: #pewdiepieisover and the more gleeful #pewdiepieisoverparty. But this is Twitter, so of course the racist elements of the Bro Army quickly co-opted them.

Quotelemmy antonis @lemmyantonis
#pewdiepieisover Geezes peoples, calm the fuck down he said a word with no racist intentions. Get back to the cotton field and contemplate.

PewDiePie's casual offensiveness doesn't end with the N-word. In another let's play video, he mentions that he can't see people when they're "too black," and fans mention that he's been known to say "black things" scare him.

This 2017 video, in which he decided whether he would "smash," pass on, or sell particular people into slavery is basically a loaded baked potato of racist and misogynist tropes.

In this face-swapping video he repeatedly uses an image of actress Leslie Jones to represent Harambe, the gorilla killed in the Cincinnati zoo last year. I shouldn't have to explain what's wrong with that.

None of this means that anything that offends anyone is off limits as a joke. But jokes that goof on racism are different than jokes that rely on race—a fine line to be sure. Even comics known to get away with it (like Sarah Silverman) sometimes miss the mark. What PewDiePie does in these videos is the 4chan version: repeat racist terms and insist they have outlived their offensiveness and are now hilarious.

But PewDiePie recently went beyond racist joking. In December, 2016, he announced plans to delete his YouTube channel once it reached 50 million subscribers because the platform had changed its homepage, a move that meant his viewers saw fewer videos, and less often. Coming from so towering a figure, this was a big deal. Bigger still? His reasoning. In a jittery rant, he claimed that "YouTube wants my channel gone. They want someone else on top. They want someone really extremely cancerous, like Lilly Singh. I'm white. Can I make that comment? But I do think that's a problem."

Singh—better known by her YouTube alias, Superwoman—is a Canadian-Indian rapper and comedian whose songs, parodies, and calls for positivity and #GirlLove have won her more than 11 million subscribers. Days after his rant, facing withering criticism, PewDiePie claimed everything he said about Singh was satire. The belated "LOL JK" is, of course, a defense favored by Milo Yiannopoulos and other trolls, one that raises questions of intent versus effect. "It's the impact that matters," Phillips says. "I think we've reached an era where that 'I was just trolling' excuse needs to be retired."

Becoming an Alt-Right Darling

PewDiePie's reaction, though, also took a step in a new direction. By claiming that media outlets taking his words literally amounted to slander—and by calling publications that did so "the clearest form of cancer"—he added media paranoia to his recipe of open prejudice and dogwhistling, making him an immediate poster boy for white supremacists. Check out the banner leading neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin's The Daily Stormer, which the Southern Poverty Law Center calls the top hate site in America.

The image has been up for weeks, says Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project. "With PewDiePie, the question is how did it take them so long?" she says of Disney and YouTube dumping PewDiePie. "Neo-Nazis have been loving this guy. And because he has this massive following, they see those people as supporting their views."

If anything, Disney and YouTube elevated PewDiePie's standing in the so-called alt-right movement's eyes by sending him packing. Just look at the alt-right's preferred social media platform, Gab.

So, intentionally or not, the YouTube celebrity stepped into the political arena. "There has always been a strong feedback loop between public figures, broadcast media, and social media activity," says Anthony McCosker, an expert on digital and social media at Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia. "I think the current push toward nationalism, tapping into exclusionary and racist sentiment, is driven and emboldened by online activity."

This all places much of the responsibility on Disney and YouTube; chipping away from PewDiePie's already staggering annual income ($15 million in 2016) doesn't prove much to anyone. "They're handmaidens to some pretty ugly sentiments," Beirich says. "YouTube has refused to develop AI systems to hunt down extremist material. We at SPLC have been doing their legwork and reporting it for them, but that's an inefficient system."

You'll have trouble finding consensus on what to do with someone like PewDiePie, especially because his reach is so global. In Austria this week, authorities arrested a man for dressing as Hitler in the Nazi leader's hometown. Should PewDiePie enjoy special privileges because his Hitler costume appeared online? In America, satire has always been protected speech—and there are overwhelmingly compelling reasons to keep it that way—but in a time of "alternative facts," satire becomes increasingly hard to identify.

You can't smooth the ripples PewDiePie's videos created, but you can slow their spread. PewDiePie's business model revolves around grabbing viewers' attention, holding it, and keeping them coming back for more. The real #pewdiepieisoverparty will happen when people start clicking 'unsubscribe.'

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Berkut

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Haha! JK LOL! You can't take a joke! Why so serious? <FAT PERSON PICTURE HERE>

I am glad we don't get any of that here on Languish.
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derspiess

You're becoming my favorite SJW, Berkut :hug:
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Syt

Quote from: Berkut on February 16, 2017, 10:01:47 AM
Haha! JK LOL! You can't take a joke! Why so serious? <FAT PERSON PICTURE HERE>

I am glad we don't get any of that here on Languish.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too.

I haven't followed the Swede enough to give an in depth opinion, but IMHO, if you keep making racist remarks, at some point it doesn't matter if you joke or not, you'll just come off as a racist.
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derspiess

I didn't know who he was until I read that Disney cut all ties with him.
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Syt

I like watching YouTube Let's Plays and checked him out a few years ago, but I found him too annoying.
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Richard Hakluyt

Judging by the clips shown on the BBC news he is definitely a complete bellend.

derspiess

Quote from: Syt on February 16, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
I like watching YouTube Let's Plays and checked him out a few years ago, but I found him too annoying.

My son watches that Dan TDM guy to the point where I'm sick of hearing his voice.  Meanwhile my daughter is obsessed with that Minecraft-animated show Little Kelly or whatever that is done by those Irish girls.  They both watch that shit more than regular TV.

But thankfully I've never come across this Swedish dude.
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Valmy

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I remember I accidentally discovered him back in 2014. I was not planning on getting Obsidian's 'Stick of Truth' Southpark game but none-the-less I wanted to see somebody play it so I looked for a let's play on youtube and his popped up.

It was a very surreal experience, like walking into some sort of very deep inside joke that has 20 layers. I just remember watching it thinking 'wait what the hell is going on around here? Is this a let's play or some kind of cult?' The sophomoric 'dudebro' aspect worked alright for a South Park game but it was pretty obnoxious. I wasn't surprised to learn he was some kind of internet celebrity, though a bit taken aback to learn how big of a deal he was. Like he made millions of dollars a month doing twitch streams.

So anyway color me not surprised. Though I thought Swedes were supposed to be enlightened Euro balls of light. Like The Brain.
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Quote from: Syt on February 16, 2017, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 16, 2017, 10:01:47 AM
Haha! JK LOL! You can't take a joke! Why so serious? <FAT PERSON PICTURE HERE>

I am glad we don't get any of that here on Languish.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too.

I haven't followed the Swede enough to give an in depth opinion, but IMHO, if you keep making racist remarks, at some point it doesn't matter if you joke or not, you'll just come off as a racist.

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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on February 16, 2017, 10:29:40 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 16, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
I like watching YouTube Let's Plays and checked him out a few years ago, but I found him too annoying.

My son watches that Dan TDM guy to the point where I'm sick of hearing his voice.  Meanwhile my daughter is obsessed with that Minecraft-animated show Little Kelly or whatever that is done by those Irish girls.  They both watch that shit more than regular TV.

But thankfully I've never come across this Swedish dude.

I eventually banned my kids from youtube. Too much 'lolz' shit in videos little kids would want to watch.
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Syt

Quote from: Valmy on February 16, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
I remember I accidentally discovered him back in 2014. I was not planning on getting Obsidian's 'Stick of Truth' Southpark game but none-the-less I wanted to see somebody play it so I looked for a let's play on youtube and his popped up.

Watch Jesse Cox' playthrough of that. He's very familiar with South Park, and he likes to explore everywhere, so you won't miss much (any) plot or jokes.
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derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on February 16, 2017, 10:32:02 AM
I eventually banned my kids from youtube. Too much 'lolz' shit in videos little kids would want to watch.

I'm always on the watch for that crap but so far my kids have kept really focused on the harmless (other than annoying to me) stuff.  Lord knows they keep the volume loud enough for me to monitor it.
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The Larch

Quote from: Valmy on February 16, 2017, 10:30:56 AMSo anyway color me not surprised. Though I thought Swedes were supposed to be enlightened Euro balls of light.

Remember Hortlund?

Valmy

Quote from: Syt on February 16, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 16, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
I remember I accidentally discovered him back in 2014. I was not planning on getting Obsidian's 'Stick of Truth' Southpark game but none-the-less I wanted to see somebody play it so I looked for a let's play on youtube and his popped up.

Watch Jesse Cox' playthrough of that. He's very familiar with South Park, and he likes to explore everywhere, so you won't miss much (any) plot or jokes.

Ah ok. I might, I love him on the Co-optional podcast.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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