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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 10, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 10, 2017, 09:27:31 AM
And now back to that old standby, the New York Times:

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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump    50m

The failing @nytimes does major FAKE NEWS China story saying "Mr.Xi has not spoken to Mr. Trump since Nov.14." We spoke at length yesterday!


lulz; Getting through an editor isn't instantaneous.  Apparently, they need to go back to stamping "at the time of this writing" on everything.

It's even worse - the NYT specifically mentioned the Thursday call between Trump and XI.  Indeed that call was the lead and the main point of the story!   Trump misquoted the line, the NYT said "had" not "has"

It looking more and more like there really is something seriously wrong mentally here.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: mongers on February 10, 2017, 08:25:58 AM
And he's back after a 14 hour hiatus:

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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump    7m

LAWFARE: "Remarkably, in the entire opinion, the panel did not bother even to cite this (the) statute." A disgraceful decision!
View details ·   


:hmm:

The article quoted went on to say the court got it right . . .
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Valmy

Becoming President has not effected his twitter feed at all. Just as irresponsible as ever. Where are his handlers?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi


jimmy olsen

The worst part about this is he could flip flop back to recognizing Taiwan next month.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/02/caving_on_one_china_shows_that_trump_is_a_terrible_deal_maker.html
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Trump's China Cave-in Sends a Terrible Message
The president learns that global politics are harder than a business deal.

By Fred Kaplan

President Trump's sudden cave-in to China on Thursday reveals that, despite his reputation as a master of the deal, he knows little about bargaining with major foreign powers..

Soon after he won the election, but before he took office, Trump said that he might scuttle America's longstanding acceptance of the "One China" policy—the recognition of the People's Republic of China, with its capital in Beijing, as the only state to be called China. (Taiwan, which calls itself the Republic of China, could still receive defensive weapons but not otherwise be treated as an independent state.

That was Trump's first mistake. Any expert in the region could have told him that the Beijing government views "One China" as an existential matter, not open to discussion. When told this after the fact, Trump said—publicly—that he would use his threat as a "bargaining chip" to get better terms on trade or other issues.

This was Trump's second mistake. If his best-seller The Art of the Deal doesn't include a chapter titled "If You Want to Use Something as a Bargaining Chip, Don't Say It's a Bargaining Chip," it's a pretty worthless book. If the Chinese had been worried before that Trump might carry out his threat, they no longer had cause for concern. He'd pretty much winked and nudged that he was bluffing. They could stand their ground with no risk.

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And so, this week, when Trump was wrapping up his phone calls with foreign leaders, Chinese President Xi Jinping announced that he would not even speak with Trump until he explicitly reaffirmed the One China policy. In response, on Thursday, Trump reaffirmed it.

It's good that, on this point, Trump reconciled with reality. But it's bad that, after so avidly embracing an alternative reality and making it part of a tough stance toward China generally, he dropped it so swiftly, in exchange for nothing but a presidential phone call.

Our Asia-Pacific allies were already nervous about several of Trump's remarks, which raised doubts about his commitment to their security. Their fears were so serious—and so justified—that Secretary of Defense James Mattis flew to the region and reassured them face to face. Now Trump's 180 on China must make them leerier still of any promises he makes or beliefs he claims to hold. It's likely that some of these allies will soon seek separate deals with China, another large power, or among themselves: some sort of arrangement that doesn't depend on—or, as it will turn out, benefit—the United States.

Trump campaigned on the premise that, because he'd made great deals for his real estate empire, he could also make great deals for his country. Previous presidents made "terrible" deals, he scoffed, because they didn't understand the game; he would make great deals because he practically invented the game. A deal is a deal is a deal—that was his assumption, regardless of whether the deal is made with New York City's Department of Buildings, some vendor on a construction project, or the People's Republic of China. What he didn't understand was that the game of international relations is very different: In global power politics, no outside arbiter can settle disputes, and you can't avoid a loss by declaring bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, on Friday, as was already scheduled, Trump welcomed Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to the White House, then flew with him to Florida for a weekend of golf and talks. Abe played their joint press conference shrewdly: congratulating Trump for his election victory, complimenting Trump's golf game (and deprecating his own), and touting the many jobs created by Japanese car factories in American territory. Abe has learned what many foreign leaders have learned—that the way to deal with Trump is to act like a grateful, admiring friend. Trump wears his buttons—his need for devotion and respect—so visibly on his sleeve that almost anyone can gain favor, at least for a while, by simply pushing them ever so gently. Vladimir Putin has done this; so has Theresa May (on Barack Obama's advice); so, in a recent phone call, did Czech President Milos Zeman—lavishing praise, telling jokes, and talking about golf so amiably that Trump pronounced him "my type of guy" and invited him to the White House. Many more leaders can be expected to emulate these tactics.

But good personal relations alone aren't the basis of sound foreign policy. Good relations grow out of common interests, not the other way around. Words and actions have consequences, and these consequences can intensify when a leader's ultimate interests and intentions are as nebulous as Trump's are. Politico reported this week that Trump is surprised that the presidency is so much harder than he thought it would be—and so much different from running a business. Yet it's been only three weeks. He's had to face no crises, other than those of his own making; he's made only one life-or-death decision—involving the raid on Yemen—and he seems incapable of facing the possibility that it might have been a failure. Everyone who thinks seriously about these matters is nerve-racked wondering what he will do if he's tested by a genuine threat. And it's all the more worrisome to note that, at some point, every president is.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Admiral Yi

Donald is not even that good a con man.  He's a mark.  :(

mongers

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 10, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
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snip, long boring slate item.
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Tim can't you post this sort of item in the Trump Presidency thread and keep this one for tweets and reaction to them?


"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

11B4V

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 10, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
The worst part about this is he could flip flop back to recognizing Taiwan next month.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/02/caving_on_one_china_shows_that_trump_is_a_terrible_deal_maker.html
Quote

Trump's China Cave-in Sends a Terrible Message
The president learns that global politics are harder than a business deal.

By Fred Kaplan

President Trump's sudden cave-in to China on Thursday reveals that, despite his reputation as a master of the deal, he knows little about bargaining with major foreign powers..

Soon after he won the election, but before he took office, Trump said that he might scuttle America's longstanding acceptance of the "One China" policy—the recognition of the People's Republic of China, with its capital in Beijing, as the only state to be called China. (Taiwan, which calls itself the Republic of China, could still receive defensive weapons but not otherwise be treated as an independent state.

That was Trump's first mistake. Any expert in the region could have told him that the Beijing government views "One China" as an existential matter, not open to discussion. When told this after the fact, Trump said—publicly—that he would use his threat as a "bargaining chip" to get better terms on trade or other issues.

This was Trump's second mistake. If his best-seller The Art of the Deal doesn't include a chapter titled "If You Want to Use Something as a Bargaining Chip, Don't Say It's a Bargaining Chip," it's a pretty worthless book. If the Chinese had been worried before that Trump might carry out his threat, they no longer had cause for concern. He'd pretty much winked and nudged that he was bluffing. They could stand their ground with no risk.

Get Slate in your inbox.

And so, this week, when Trump was wrapping up his phone calls with foreign leaders, Chinese President Xi Jinping announced that he would not even speak with Trump until he explicitly reaffirmed the One China policy. In response, on Thursday, Trump reaffirmed it.

It's good that, on this point, Trump reconciled with reality. But it's bad that, after so avidly embracing an alternative reality and making it part of a tough stance toward China generally, he dropped it so swiftly, in exchange for nothing but a presidential phone call.

Our Asia-Pacific allies were already nervous about several of Trump's remarks, which raised doubts about his commitment to their security. Their fears were so serious—and so justified—that Secretary of Defense James Mattis flew to the region and reassured them face to face. Now Trump's 180 on China must make them leerier still of any promises he makes or beliefs he claims to hold. It's likely that some of these allies will soon seek separate deals with China, another large power, or among themselves: some sort of arrangement that doesn't depend on—or, as it will turn out, benefit—the United States.

Trump campaigned on the premise that, because he'd made great deals for his real estate empire, he could also make great deals for his country. Previous presidents made "terrible" deals, he scoffed, because they didn't understand the game; he would make great deals because he practically invented the game. A deal is a deal is a deal—that was his assumption, regardless of whether the deal is made with New York City's Department of Buildings, some vendor on a construction project, or the People's Republic of China. What he didn't understand was that the game of international relations is very different: In global power politics, no outside arbiter can settle disputes, and you can't avoid a loss by declaring bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, on Friday, as was already scheduled, Trump welcomed Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to the White House, then flew with him to Florida for a weekend of golf and talks. Abe played their joint press conference shrewdly: congratulating Trump for his election victory, complimenting Trump's golf game (and deprecating his own), and touting the many jobs created by Japanese car factories in American territory. Abe has learned what many foreign leaders have learned—that the way to deal with Trump is to act like a grateful, admiring friend. Trump wears his buttons—his need for devotion and respect—so visibly on his sleeve that almost anyone can gain favor, at least for a while, by simply pushing them ever so gently. Vladimir Putin has done this; so has Theresa May (on Barack Obama's advice); so, in a recent phone call, did Czech President Milos Zeman—lavishing praise, telling jokes, and talking about golf so amiably that Trump pronounced him "my type of guy" and invited him to the White House. Many more leaders can be expected to emulate these tactics.

But good personal relations alone aren't the basis of sound foreign policy. Good relations grow out of common interests, not the other way around. Words and actions have consequences, and these consequences can intensify when a leader's ultimate interests and intentions are as nebulous as Trump's are. Politico reported this week that Trump is surprised that the presidency is so much harder than he thought it would be—and so much different from running a business. Yet it's been only three weeks. He's had to face no crises, other than those of his own making; he's made only one life-or-death decision—involving the raid on Yemen—and he seems incapable of facing the possibility that it might have been a failure. Everyone who thinks seriously about these matters is nerve-racked wondering what he will do if he's tested by a genuine threat. And it's all the more worrisome to note that, at some point, every president is.

This is the tweet thread you monkey.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Admiral Yi

mongers, terrific cropping!

Before, you are a miscreant.  So sad!

11B4V

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2017, 06:55:40 PM
mongers, terrific cropping!

Before, you are a miscreant.  So sad!

TWEET THREAD   :mad:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

mongers

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2017, 06:06:59 PM
Donald is not even that good a con man.  He's a mark.  :(

You'd be surprised how often con men are marks.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Quote from: 11B4V on February 10, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2017, 06:55:40 PM
mongers, terrific cropping!

Before, you are a miscreant.  So sad!

TWEET THREAD   :mad:

He used less than 140 characters.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

LaCroix

trump clearly got some deal from the chinese

also, this is probably not going to be the only time trump is criticized for going the peaceful route

bogh

Quote from: LaCroix on February 10, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
trump clearly got some deal from the chinese

also, this is probably not going to be the only time trump is criticized for going the peaceful route

:lol:

Yeah, clearly.