Angela Merkel endorses party's call for partial ban on burqa and niqab

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garbon

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/angela-merkel-cdu-partial-ban-burqa-niqab-german

QuoteAngela Merkel has for the first time endorsed her party's call for a partial ban on the burqa and the niqab in Germany, telling delegates at the Christian Democratic Union's conference in Essen "the full facial veil is inappropriate and should be banned wherever it is legally possible".

The German chancellor's CDU party is expected this week to pass a motion proposing a ban on the full face veil in some areas of public life such as courts, schools and universities, as well as in road traffic and during police checks. A full ban, as introduced in France in 2011, is seen as incompatible with Germany's basic laws.

Merkel's comments follow the Netherlands' move at the end of November to introduce a partial ban on the full veil in hospitals, municipal institutions, schools and on transport, a measure that also covers other pieces of clothing such as motorbike helmets or balaclavas. Similar bans are already in place in Belgium, Bulgaria and the Swiss canton of Tessin.

Until further detail of the motion emerges, Merkel's comments represent a change in rhetoric rather than a full U-turn: back in September, the chancellor had called for stricter guidelines on official situations where wearing a full face veil was not permissible, while also stating that "lived diversity is the logical consequence of freedom".

In her first party address since announcing she would run for a fourth term as chancellor next year, Merkel focused on law-and-order issues guaranteed to fire up her party's conservative base.

"Our law takes precedence over codes of honour, tribal or family rules, and over sharia law – that has to be spelled out clearly," Merkel said, explaining her decision to back a partial ban. "This also means that it is important to show face when people communicate," she said.

The full truth, Merkel added, was that not just migrants had to work towards integration: "Sometimes one gets the impression that some of those who have always lived in Germany are also in urgent need of an integration course".

After her speech, 89.5% of CDU delegates re-elected Merkel as their party leader – the lowest endorsement of her time as chancellor. As in previous years, her candidacy was unopposed.

Merkel's decision to keep borders open to thousands of refugees stranded in Hungary last September had led to a backlash, not least from her sister party, the Bavarian Christian Social Union. But during her 80-minute speech on Tuesday afternoon Merkel said "a situation like the one of summer 2015 cannot, must not and will not be repeated".

She said: "That's what we have been working towards for many many months – for the good of those here in Germany, and for the good of the refugees, so that they don't fall victim to ruthless people-smugglers."

While insisting Germany had been right to offer refuge to people fleeing a war zone in Syria, Merkel also said many asylum seekers would have to leave Germany again in the future, vowing to speed up deportations of those who had been rejected. She said: "Not all of those who have come here can and will stay."

Many politicians on the right of her party welcomed the speech: "The party desperately needed to distance its policies from those of other parties", said MP Carsten Linnemann.

Gabriele Boos-Niazy, the co-chair of Germany's Association for Muslim Women, argued that in most of the areas in which banning the full face veil was possible, it had already been done. "Judges in Germany are already able to order someone to take off their veil if they feel it necessary.

"Of the few women who wear the niqab in Germany, many avoid public transport for fear of discrimination and use cars instead. The assumption that a ban on the full facial veil in road traffic would help to liberate women is therefore highly questionable."

Boos-Niazy estimated there were "not more than a hundred" women in Germany who wore the full face veil, and that those who were most visible, in places such as Munich or Bad Godesberg, were usually tourists.

Burhan Kesici, the general secretary of Germany's Islamic Council, criticised Merkel's comments. "The government should carefully study similar moves in France, and ask themselves if one side effect of such a ban is that it can actually lead to women feeling more excluded from society," he said.

During her speech, Merkel also condemned Russia and Iran's support for Bashar al-Assad and the failure to stop bombing attacks on Aleppo. She said: "It is a disgrace that we haven't been able to set up aid corridors. We have to keep on fighting for that."

She expressed her frustration with the lack of public outrage about the humanitarian situation in Syria, saying: "To be honest, if a free-trade agreement with the United States of America can bring hundreds of thousands out on to the streets, but the barbarous bombardments of Aleppo don't trigger any public protests, then something is wrong with our political standards."

On the day that the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michael Barnier, insisted Britain's new status in relation with the European Union would have to be inferior to membership, Merkel repeated her commitment to the EU's "four freedoms": free movement of goods, capital, services and people.

She said: "Negotiations around Brexit are threatening to weaken the single market, and there's great pressure on Europe's four basic freedoms. We will not allow any cherrypicking: the four freedoms have to be preserved. Only then can you have access to the single market – that has to be the maxim for negotiations with Great Britain."

The year 2016 had made the world more uncertain and unstable, Merkel said: "When the world has been turned upside down, we have to first do everything to make sure that Europe doesn't come weaker out of the current situation than it went into it."

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

QuoteGabriele Boos-Niazy, the co-chair of Germany's Association for Muslim Women, argued that in most of the areas in which banning the full face veil was possible, it had already been done. "Judges in Germany are already able to order someone to take off their veil if they feel it necessary.

Sounds like Merkel is promising something that has already happened. Wise political strategy.

QuoteShe expressed her frustration with the lack of public outrage about the humanitarian situation in Syria, saying: "To be honest, if a free-trade agreement with the United States of America can bring hundreds of thousands out on to the streets, but the barbarous bombardments of Aleppo don't trigger any public protests, then something is wrong with our political standards."

It is ok. AmeriKKKa wasn't doing it.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Zanza

She has been moving to centrist positions over the last ten years on lots and lots of issues. Her party now has serious competition from the right for the first time in Germany's postwar history, so she's now moving right again by picking up some landmark issues that will hardly cost her any voters in the center, but might gain her some on the right.

Zanza

QuoteBoos-Niazy estimated there were "not more than a hundred" women in Germany who wore the full face veil, and that those who were most visible, in places such as Munich or Bad Godesberg, were usually tourists.
:huh: No idea about tourists or residents, but while it is fairly uncommon, you see persons with niqab occasionally in Germany.

Zanza

The party decided to abolish double citizenship again and to establish "transit zones" for refugees near the border - both against Merkel's wishes, which is very unusual in the conservative party. She's losing control of her own party, which is typically the first sign of a career end for German politicians.

Jacob

Abolish double citizenship, eh?

Does that mean if you have it, Germany requires you to relinquish one or the other?

celedhring

Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony. It's very hard to enforce and tbf we don't even try.

Valmy

Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: Zanza on December 07, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
The party decided to abolish double citizenship again and to establish "transit zones" for refugees near the border - both against Merkel's wishes, which is very unusual in the conservative party. She's losing control of her own party, which is typically the first sign of a career end for German politicians.

Huh. Who is the heir apparent?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

celedhring

Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.

The US is excluded though, as are further ex-colonies that didn't retain Spanish as official language (i.e. Jamaica). We also include Portugal because, well they are an ex-colony even if they don't accept it yet  :P

The Larch

Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.

Nah, it's basically Latin America, plus Equatorial Guinea, and Portugal and Andorra for shits and giggles. I don't think the Philippines gets in, for instance.

celedhring

Quote from: The Larch on December 07, 2016, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.

Nah, it's basically Latin America, plus Equatorial Guinea, and Portugal and Andorra for shits and giggles. I don't think the Philippines gets in, for instance.

Pretty sure Philippines are in.

The Larch

Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 07, 2016, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.

Nah, it's basically Latin America, plus Equatorial Guinea, and Portugal and Andorra for shits and giggles. I don't think the Philippines gets in, for instance.

Pretty sure Philippines are in.

Just checked, they are in, as well as Sephardi jews.

Or are those the ones that get Spanish citizenship in a sped up process?

celedhring

Quote from: The Larch on December 07, 2016, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 07, 2016, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 07, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
Spain forbids double citizenship too, unless it's with a former colony.

Well damn Spain. That is like half the world.

Nah, it's basically Latin America, plus Equatorial Guinea, and Portugal and Andorra for shits and giggles. I don't think the Philippines gets in, for instance.

Pretty sure Philippines are in.

Just checked, they are in, as well as Sephardi jews.

Or are those the ones that get Spanish citizenship in a sped up process?

IIRC it's the same list. If you get the sped up process, you get the double nationality.

Malicious Intent

Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2016, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 07, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
The party decided to abolish double citizenship again and to establish "transit zones" for refugees near the border - both against Merkel's wishes, which is very unusual in the conservative party. She's losing control of her own party, which is typically the first sign of a career end for German politicians.

Huh. Who is the heir apparent?


Merkel's choice would most likely be Ursula von der Leyen, currently minister of defence. She shares Merkel's more liberal policies, which might be a heavy burden for her, should the party move back to a more conservative stance.