Where is the line between brave and stupid? Or is there one?

Started by Berkut, November 26, 2016, 09:14:50 PM

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Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
like all political correctness, the inability to say the truth out loud leads to a lot of confused thinking and decision-making.

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celedhring

I'm not sure what's "politically correct" about striving to reduce deaths in sport. It's just correct.

grumbler

Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
I'm not sure what's "politically correct" about striving to reduce deaths in sport. It's just correct.

I think the point he is making is that political correctness forbids mentioning the truth that it is the possibility of a crash (not a death, but a crash) that makes motor sports thrilling for many, if not most, of its fans.
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garbon

Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
When it comes to motorsports, it's an aberration, and probably a defiant reaction against the general trend.  Pretty much everywhere else you go to the other extreme:  "safety is absolutely the most important goal in motorsports".  In which case why does the sport still exist? :unsure:  No matter how safe racing is, it's even safer to just not race at all. 

I've no idea.
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DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
like all political correctness, the inability to say the truth out loud leads to a lot of confused thinking and decision-making.

Quoted for posterity.
:unsure: Have I ever said anything different in that regard?

DGuller

Quote from: grumbler on November 27, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
I'm not sure what's "politically correct" about striving to reduce deaths in sport. It's just correct.

I think the point he is making is that political correctness forbids mentioning the truth that it is the possibility of a crash (not a death, but a crash) that makes motor sports thrilling for many, if not most, of its fans.
Exactly.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
When it comes to motorsports, it's an aberration, and probably a defiant reaction against the general trend.  Pretty much everywhere else you go to the other extreme:  "safety is absolutely the most important goal in motorsports".  In which case why does the sport still exist? :unsure:  No matter how safe racing is, it's even safer to just not race at all.

They're getting paid, and in some cases exorbitant amounts of money, to engage in an activity risking an outcome that we engage in on a daily basis for free.   

Nobody's sponsoring my ass to get put into the wall by a Vietnamese bikini wax technician in a Nissan Murano on New Hampshire Avenue.  I'd sell space on a quarter panel for that.

celedhring

Quote from: grumbler on November 27, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
I'm not sure what's "politically correct" about striving to reduce deaths in sport. It's just correct.

I think the point he is making is that political correctness forbids mentioning the truth that it is the possibility of a crash (not a death, but a crash) that makes motor sports thrilling for many, if not most, of its fans.

Fair enough.

Sponsors are terrified of those, though. So it's not just PC, it's business.

Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
like all political correctness, the inability to say the truth out loud leads to a lot of confused thinking and decision-making.

Quoted for posterity.
:unsure: Have I ever said anything different in that regard?

Nope.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
like all political correctness, the inability to say the truth out loud leads to a lot of confused thinking and decision-making.

Quoted for posterity.
:unsure: Have I ever said anything different in that regard?

Nope.
:unsure: Usually people say that when they expect to use someone's words against them down the road.

Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
like all political correctness, the inability to say the truth out loud leads to a lot of confused thinking and decision-making.

Quoted for posterity.
:unsure: Have I ever said anything different in that regard?

Nope.
:unsure: Usually people say that when they expect to use someone's words against them down the road.

True, but that was not my intent in this particular case.
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