2017 impeachment - because it's never too early

[Caliga]

Since there was an overwhelming media message of Hillary's inevitability, I would guess some of them figured she'd win no matter what, so they just didn't bother.

[Berkut]

Since there was an overwhelming media message of Hillary's inevitability, I would guess some of them figured she'd win no matter what, so they just didn't bother.

Clinton took Oregon by more than 10% though.

[Maximus]

She was a pretty bad candidate, but that's a different issue.

She wasn't even a bad candidate, she was just the wrong candidate for this season. She was a conservative and the people were looking for a revolutionary.

[The Minsky Moment]

More than half of the anti-Trump protesters arrested in Portland, Oregon did not vote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3938928/More-half-112-anti-Trump-protesters-arrested-Portland-didn-t-vote.html

Not sure whether to laugh or cry. I guess these are just rubble-rousing thugs.

They probably all Sanders supporters who held their noses at HRC
You know - your kind of people.

[alfred russel]

She was a pretty bad candidate, but that's a different issue.

She wasn't even a bad candidate, she was just the wrong candidate for this season. She was a conservative and the people were looking for a revolutionary.

She was a bad candidate. Her problems were:

-she is not an inspiring public speaker
-she is an elderly lady and appears at times physically frail
-whether justified or not, she is vulnerable to charges of corruption
-she has been in politics long enough that she has changed numerous positions, but at the same time she hasn't had roles to allow for a bunch of noteworthy individual achievements (first lady, junior senator)

[Maximus]

-she is not an inspiring public speaker
-she is an elderly lady and appears at times physically frail
-whether justified or not, she is vulnerable to charges of corruption
-she has been in politics long enough that she has changed numerous positions, but at the same time she hasn't had roles to allow for a bunch of noteworthy individual achievements (first lady, junior senator)

the effect of 1 and 2 are not significant IMO
3 is significant and could be said for anyone who has been the target of decades of smear tactics. Even so whe was one of the least vulnerable to this in this campaign.
4a is a positive and 4b is bullshit

[alfred russel]

the effect of 1 and 2 are not significant IMO
3 is significant and could be said for anyone who has been the target of decades of smear tactics. Even so whe was one of the least vulnerable to this in this campaign.
4a is a positive and 4b is bullshit

Are those your opinions of what should be important to swing voters, or what is important?

I think if you look at the history of US presidential elections, you will see the most attractive/charismatic candidate wins much more frequently.

[garbon]

She was a pretty bad candidate, but that's a different issue.

She wasn't even a bad candidate, she was just the wrong candidate for this season. She was a conservative and the people were looking for a revolutionary.

Not sure I'd say that is accurate. Not going down some Clinton with more popular vote arm, but certainly hard to say that the people were looking for a revolutionary. A great many clearly were not.

[Martinus]

She was a pretty bad candidate, but that's a different issue.

She wasn't even a bad candidate, she was just the wrong candidate for this season. She was a conservative and the people were looking for a revolutionary.

Yeah, I have to agree. This was a time for populists. Bernie would have been a much better fit.

[Martinus]

She was a pretty bad candidate, but that's a different issue.

She wasn't even a bad candidate, she was just the wrong candidate for this season. She was a conservative and the people were looking for a revolutionary.

Not sure I'd say that is accurate. Not going down some Clinton with more popular vote arm, but certainly hard to say that the people were looking for a revolutionary. A great many clearly were not.

I think the great many voted for her because they could not stomach Trump - but not as a revolutionary, but as a blowhard surrounded by some nasty people and himself employing some nasty rhetorics. I think a "nicer" revolutionary would get more votes.

[garbon]

[Martinus]

You are really annoying, you know.

[CountDeMoney]

You are really annoying, you know.

[derspiess]

I think the great many voted for her because they could not stomach Trump - but not as a revolutionary, but as a blowhard surrounded by some nasty people and himself employing some nasty rhetorics. I think a "nicer" revolutionary would get more votes.

As dedicated as the Woman Card Brigade here was to voting for their gal, when you got past the surface you could tell there wasn't a whole lot of actual enthusiasm for her.

As I've said, both candidates were awful.  I've heard "lesser of two evils" mumbled in other elections, but I can't remember an election where so many people said <Candidate X> isn't perfect and I really don't like him/her, but at least he/she isn't <Candidate Y>.

[viper37]

-she is not an inspiring public speaker

True.  Hitler was an inspiring speaker.  That guy, he makes you cry of passion when you don't understand german.

It's not like anyone can compete with "Grab them by the pussy!" as a rallying cry, after all. That was pure genius from Trump.

-she is an elderly lady and appears at times physically frail

She's 69.  Trump is 70.  Sanders is 75.

-whether justified or not, she is vulnerable to charges of corruption

True, she's a politician.  Unlike her crooked opponents who never pays taxes and uses every justifiable excuses to avoid paying the people working for him.

-she has been in politics long enough that she has changed numerous positions, but at the same time she hasn't had roles to allow for a bunch of noteworthy individual achievements (first lady, junior senator)

Same thing for Sanders.  And Trump hasn't done much either.  Inheriting money from dad and successfully launching a business after a few million$ interest free loan from dad is not a personal achievement.