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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2026, 09:14:56 PMThe weird thing is is that FDR, who had won an election with 61% of the vote and 46 out of 48 states and whose party controlled 334 out of 435 House Seats and 75 out of 96 Senate Seats did not have this authority. He was consistently thwarted by the Courts for his policies, leading to his unsuccessful court packing scheme.

The court packing scheme became unnecessary because Owen Roberts switched sides, ending the Lochner era and paving the way for the constitutionalizing of the New Deal. The next year he would join the Carolene Products majority that endorsed the vast expansion of the Commerce Clause power.  Robert's ideology shift was noticeable and dates from FDR's huge election win his second term.

So there is some precedent, but there isn't precedent for two justices who are entirely "in the bag" - i.e. who will consistently vote politically to favor one administration or opposed another, no matter the facts, the law, the precedent, or even their own recent votes. The fact that the two justices in question are the two most implicated in the Court corruption scandal only underlines the concern.  Kavanaugh isn't quite as bad, but still really bad; he is a VERY political justice.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Tamas

YouTube Music brought this up and I liked it. More visceral than Springteen's take:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_O5w9kpHo&si=XY-gyJ5Aq9gt0NTu

Tamas

From the POTUS:

QuoteThe supreme court (will be using lower case letters for a while based on a complete lack of respect!*) of the United States accidentally and unwittingly gave me, as President of the United States, far more powers and strength than I had prior to their ridiculous, dumb, and very internationally divisive ruling.

For one thing, I can use Licenses to do absolutely "terrible" things to foreign countries, especially those countries that have been RIPPING US OFF for many decades, but incomprehensibly, according to the ruling, can't charge them a License fee - BUT ALL LICENSES CHARGE FEES, why can't the United States do so? You do a license to get a fee! The opinion doesn't explain that, but I know the answer! The court has also approved all other Tariffs, of which there are many, and they can all be used in a much more powerful and obnoxious way, with legal certainty, than the Tariffs as initially used.

Our incompetent supreme court did a great job for the wrong people, and for that they should be ashamed of themselves (but not the Great Three!).


Like, I mean... what am I even reading?

Crazy_Ivan80

Verbal diarrhea that'll cost the US bigly in due time

Maladict

Looks like the US ambassadors in Europe are being instructed to stir up trouble?

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Maladict on Today at 10:19:15 AMLooks like the US ambassadors in Europe are being instructed to stir up trouble?
Yeah, we've noticed over here

Richard Hakluyt

I believe we are supposed to simply capitulate when faced with the awe-inspiring power of the USA under the command of the mighty Trump.

Personally I think we should tell him to fuck off. But Im not a wise man.

garbon

Quote from: Tamas on Today at 09:17:37 AMLike, I mean... what am I even reading?

I'm glad you still can have that reaction as that is a normal reaction.

I'm like yeah sounds like all other mental goop he spouts. :(
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

HVC

Quote from: Tamas on Today at 09:17:37 AMI mean... what am I even reading?

The diary of a man with dementia
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

mongers

Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 09:17:37 AMI mean... what am I even reading?

The diary of a man with dementia

I can understand this view, but we shouldn't loose sight of how we got here, he's always been a mean spirited, vindictive bully.

And plenty of that behaviour still shines right through any muddle we've been seeing and hearing in the last two years.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Oexmelin

It's the United States' dementia now.
Que le grand cric me croque !

HVC

Quote from: mongers on Today at 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 09:17:37 AMI mean... what am I even reading?

The diary of a man with dementia

I can understand this view, but we shouldn't loose sight of how we got here, he's always been a mean spirited, vindictive bully.

And plenty of that behaviour still shines right through any muddle we've been seeing and hearing in the last two years.

He's always been a dick. But if you've known anyone with dementia who was a dick before it struck knows they get so much worse. What little filter they've had melts away.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 11:31:49 AMI believe we are supposed to simply capitulate when faced with the awe-inspiring power of the USA under the command of the mighty Trump

It's your call, but just keep in mind that placating the man doesn't get you better treatment.  At best, you get a "deal" which is pretty shitty to begin with and then quickly abandoned, because doing the deal the first time causes him to lose all respect.

Trump's new Section 122 duties stack on top of general MFN duties previously in effect and thus he has already violated the trade agreements with the EU and UK.  But maybe third time's the charm?
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Valmy

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 11:31:49 AMI believe we are supposed to simply capitulate when faced with the awe-inspiring power of the USA under the command of the mighty Trump.

Personally I think we should tell him to fuck off. But Im not a wise man.


No. Surrendering and asking for a peace treaty never works. He never feels bound by a peace treaty.

So there is really no choice but to be hostile.

Sad but true.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

HVC

Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 11:31:49 AMI believe we are supposed to simply capitulate when faced with the awe-inspiring power of the USA under the command of the mighty Trump.

Personally I think we should tell him to fuck off. But Im not a wise man.


No. Surrendering and asking for a peace treaty never works. He never feels bound by a peace treaty.

So there is really no choice but to be hostile.

Sad but true.

They can't be hostile to both the EU and the US. Bad timing for the UK really to hitch their wagon to the wrong side. At least Canada has the excuse of a few decades of good times,
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.