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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: grumbler on Today at 06:37:11 AMIn the Virginia House of Delegates races, Dems increased their majority from 51-49 to 61-39. Ten seats were considered "contested" and the Dems won all ten.

Awesome.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: mongers on Today at 08:01:49 AMSo Democrats win back control of the house and possibly Senate in 2026, and ..... trump continues to ignore congress? 

I can't think of a single case when Trump "ignored" Congress.  The current Congress has voted for everything he asked for AFAIK.

crazy canuck

Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: mongers on Today at 08:01:49 AMSo Democrats win back control of the house and possibly Senate in 2026, and ..... trump continues to ignore congress? 

I can't think of a single case when Trump "ignored" Congress.  The current Congress has voted for everything he asked for AFAIK.

Oh no, every time I see some hope for the US my hopes are dashed when I realize how ill informed the electorate is.
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The Minsky Moment

Examples of Trump ignoring Congress

1. Imposing tariffs without Congressional authorization
2. Cutting authorized appropriations without Congressional assent
3. Eliminating entire departments authorized by Congress without Congressional assent.
4. Blowing up boats across the world under war powers, without providing the disclosures required under the War powers resolution.
5. Demolishing the East Wing of White House without Congressional approval.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Valmy

Quote from: DGuller on November 04, 2025, 11:12:37 PMSo much for suspense, everything seems to have cleared up immediately.  I'm glad the NJ governor race stayed as uneventful as polls promised, I was getting really worried at times.

Yeah that was a one sided blowout. Pretty shocking after all the claims New Jersey was becoming purple.

Quote from: Norgy on Today at 02:21:18 AMFull victory for Dem candidates, as far as I can tell?

It was a good day. Still a long way to go. Can't be complacent though. I would hate to see Democrats do more of their "business as usual" stuff which tanked them in 2024.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Minsky Moment

Big surge in turnout in the NJ election and the swing counties went for Sherrill. Citarelli ran very strong in 2021 but fell off a lot this time. I don't think it's because Sherill is so much stronger as a candidate than Murphy. The main difference is that Citarelli ran more to the center last time but clung closer to MAGA this time. The Trump factor looms large I think.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Valmy

Yeah well Trump did much better in New Jersey than he did.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Valmy on Today at 10:31:38 AMYeah well Trump did much better in New Jersey than he did.

He did better in November 2024, running on a platform of lowering costs, more efficient government, and Agenda 2025 is a hoax from some guy I never heard of.

November 2025 is not the same.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 10:22:12 AMExamples of Trump ignoring Congress

1. Imposing tariffs without Congressional authorization
2. Cutting authorized appropriations without Congressional assent
3. Eliminating entire departments authorized by Congress without Congressional assent.
4. Blowing up boats across the world under war powers, without providing the disclosures required under the War powers resolution.
5. Demolishing the East Wing of White House without Congressional approval.


My understanding is that the law grants the president emergency powers to impose tariffs, which can be overruled by Congress, which they have declined to do.  Am I missing something?

My understanding of the War Powers Act is that (a) it is not settled law and (b) even under the law there are no restrictions on the president's power to introduce US forces into a conflict zone for 90 days.  Am I missing something?

As to the rest, has the court ruled that what you say is true, or are these theories of the case?

The Minsky Moment

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 10:39:54 AMMy understanding is that the law grants the president emergency powers to impose tariffs, which can be overruled by Congress, which they have declined to do.  Am I missing something?

The IEEPA does not provide authority to impose the tariffs Trump put in place; multiple courts have confirmed this. The Supreme Court is hearing argument on this now, but if they apply the statutory text, it's an easy decision. 

QuoteMy understanding of the War Powers Act is that (a) it is not settled law and (b) even under the law there are no restrictions on the president's power to introduce US forces into a conflict zone for 90 days.  Am I missing something?

Well it's over 50 years old and every Presidential administration has followed it, even while complaining about it.  For present purposes, it's about as settled as it can be.

As for the substance, you are correct on the timeline assuming the 30 day extension is invoked, but you are missing the reporting obligations.  Also we are past 60 days and the extension hasn't been invoked.

QuoteAs to the rest, has the court ruled that what you say is true, or are these theories of the case?

Many courts have ruled against Trump on the issue; we haven't gotten the final say from the Supreme Court.  I don't think that matters - if the Supreme Court makes a political decision to favor Trump, it doesn't make it right and it doesn't change the fact Trump ignored Congress.

The East Wing demolition hasn't been challenged in court and it's too late to do it now. The Constitution does not provide the President with the authority to destroy public buildings by whim.  I know of no statutory authority and the administration has not invoked any.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Razgovory

Conservatives are going apeshit over Mamdami.  I'm not particularly enthused with the guy (I would have still voted for him over the other two guy though), but it's hardly the end of the world.  You guys did convince me that the guy had a point about property taxes, but I doubt that the grocery store thing will amount to anything.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

Technically, a President could just entirely ignore Congress, rule by decree, by waving their hands, mumbling about Article II and unitary executives, and citing a phalanx of emergency powers.  I count that as ignoring Congress, even if there isn't a final definitive ruling from the Supreme Court or even if there is one that lets the President get away with it.

Worth recalling that the Nazis came to power under the Weimar constitution.  The won an election, got appointed by the President to head the government, asserted emergency powers, then authorized more emergency powers and asserted those.  The courts went along with it.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 11:35:42 AMConservatives are going apeshit over Mamdami.  I'm not particularly enthused with the guy (I would have still voted for him over the other two guy though), but it's hardly the end of the world.  You guys did convince me that the guy had a point about property taxes, but I doubt that the grocery store thing will amount to anything.

He's out of his depth and in denial about the hard fiscal realities of running NYC. But we can already see the co-dependencies with MAGA manifesting.  Trump will try to "drop dead" the city and Mamdani will use that to blame Trump for the city's problems.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Josquius

I read today that many are making Sadiq Khan parallels but the NYC mayor doesn't actually have half as many powers as the London Mayor?
That the subway is totally of his hands is a particularly big seeming weird one.
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Valmy

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 11:49:31 AMHe's out of his depth and in denial about the hard fiscal realities of running NYC. But we can already see the co-dependencies with MAGA manifesting.  Trump will try to "drop dead" the city and Mamdani will use that to blame Trump for the city's problems.

We'll see. Everybody starts out of their depth. He better hope his supporters stay with him and engaged, he will need all the help he can get.

Besides who was the better choice? Mr. Corrupt sexual harrasment total failure guy or nutty perennial candidate beret wearing guy?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."