What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Razgovory]

No, it's just something you don't like hear about.  I mean we've been going on about Trump for over a decade now, and it gets in pretty much every thread.  You don't get tired of that.  You don't get tired of people bring up racism in other threads.  The problem is not that it is tedious, it is because it is uncomfortable.

I'm curious, do you discuss this topic elsewhere or do you mainly confine you discussion of Israel and Palestine to languish?

Else where on the internet.  Do you discuss Trump or racism anywhere else?

[Razgovory]

But killing civilians isn't actually wrong.  It's part of warfare.  It is legal. 

As a general statement, applied to all circumstances, none of those statements are true. 

You would think that the State of Israel, of all nations in the world would be first to understand that.

I don't know where of any action that, as a general statement, applied to all circumstances, is legal.  But you can kill civilians in war.  I would think that the state of Israel would understand that they can't lose a war.  No country values the lives of the citizens of its enemies over the lives of its own people.  Judging from the reaction to the killings of Israeli Diplomatic staff and the murder of Charlie Kirk by people on this forum and else where the deaths of civilians is not the catastrophe that it is made out to be.  The hypocrisy in this is galling, which is why I bring it up sometimes and why, I believe, other people here are bothered by it.  Talking about Trump and MAGA racism is comforting.  There is a clear good and evil, we know we are right.  In Palestine so many leftists are promoting the cause of people who are so much worse than Trump or MAGA.  It is shocking to see people who denounce religious fundamentalism as fascist in the US silent when it comes to Palestine.

If it ever comes to war with MAGA, and who knows what the future holds anymore, I am sure that the bombing, deprivation, and hunger in the fly-over-states will not pull the heart strings of people.  The sympathy for suffering civilians will not be an impediment to victory.  It may even be praiseworthy.

[Razgovory]

The military is there to defend civilians, as far as I have understood. That is the basic principle.

The Geneva convention is pretty clear, but I suppose it is not very popular reading these days.

The military is there to execute the policies of their state.  I do not know of any military that was founded on the principle of defending the civilian population the enemy.

[crazy canuck]

The military is there to defend civilians, as far as I have understood. That is the basic principle.

The Geneva convention is pretty clear, but I suppose it is not very popular reading these days.

The military is there to execute the policies of their state.  I do not know of any military that was founded on the principle of defending the civilian population the enemy.

Oh my, no wonder you see no problem with what Israel is doing.

[Razgovory]

The military is there to defend civilians, as far as I have understood. That is the basic principle.

The Geneva convention is pretty clear, but I suppose it is not very popular reading these days.

The military is there to execute the policies of their state.  I do not know of any military that was founded on the principle of defending the civilian population the enemy.

Oh my, no wonder you see no problem with what Israel is doing.

Just as you did not object to the war on ISIS.

[The Minsky Moment]

In Palestine so many leftists are promoting the cause of people who are so much worse than Trump or MAGA. 

Who are the leftists you are referring to and who are the people you are referring to worse than Trump?  Is every Palestinian worse than Trump?  The 2 and 3 years olds as well?  Is the sizable and well tolerated Palestinian Christian community in the West Bank among the fascist religious fundamentalists we should be condemning? 

If it ever comes to war with MAGA, and who knows what the future holds anymore, I am sure that the bombing, deprivation, and hunger in the fly-over-states will not pull the heart strings of people.  The sympathy for suffering civilians will not be an impediment to victory.  It may even be praiseworthy.

Who is fighting a war with MAGA?  Who is bombing "fly-over-states"?  Is Illinois a fly-over-state?  Texas?  Wisconsin? Florida? 

Honestly, none of this makes any sense. It's like Taylor-Green talking about a "national divorce" when the state she lives in has a Republican governor and two Democratic Senators. How's that going to work out? I live in northern New Jersey, 10 minute drive to NYC.  If I want to talk to someone MAGA, I just have to walk across the street and talk to the people whose dogs play with my dogs.  My wife can call her Dad.  We both can talk to our Charlie Kirk-fanboy son. Which of us do you imagine bombing the other?

[Valmy]

The idea we would have a Civil War seems ludicrious because I am not even sure what great cause we would be fighting about. Or what victory would look like. Or even where would be what side.

I mean I live in Texas and my home city of Austin isn't dying for Trumpism.

[Jacob]

Else where on the internet.  Do you discuss Trump or racism anywhere else?

Online, not really no. In real life those two topics come up on occasion.

Anyways, you're correct that the topic is something I don't want to hear about. And you're similarly correct that it's uncomfortable.

That discomfort, however, has nothing to do with whether the substance of your arguments are correct or incorrect, nor with the topic itself. At this point you're basically coming across like the militant vegan who brings up their dietary habits and angrily condemns everyone who doesn't make militant veganism central to their lives - only on a different topic.

It's tedious and, frankly, a pity - because you often have interesting and challenging insights.

I'd think that when HVC - who's normally a pretty chill dude - makes a point to let you know how you come across you might want consider taking it to heart.

[Razgovory]

Else where on the internet.  Do you discuss Trump or racism anywhere else?

Online, not really no. In real life those two topics come up on occasion.

Anyways, you're correct that the topic is something I don't want to hear about. And you're similarly correct that it's uncomfortable.

That discomfort, however, has nothing to do with whether the substance of your arguments are correct or incorrect, nor with the topic itself. At this point you're basically coming across like the militant vegan who brings up their dietary habits and angrily condemns everyone who doesn't make militant veganism central to their lives - only on a different topic.

It's tedious and, frankly, a pity - because you often have interesting and challenging insights.

I'd think that when HVC - who's normally a pretty chill dude - makes a point to let you know how you come across you might want consider taking it to heart.

Why does Trump and racism not become tedious?

[Razgovory]

In Palestine so many leftists are promoting the cause of people who are so much worse than Trump or MAGA. 

Who are the leftists you are referring to and who are the people you are referring to worse than Trump?  Is every Palestinian worse than Trump?  The 2 and 3 years olds as well?  Is the sizable and well tolerated Palestinian Christian community in the West Bank among the fascist religious fundamentalists we should be condemning? 

I would say that Hamas is far worse than Trump, in fact I would say that pretty much most political factions in Palestine are worse than Trump.  I would not say that every Palestinian is bad, just as not every German was bad or every person living in ISIS territory was bad.  But those 2 and 3 years old didn't get special consideration.  Bringing up the Palestinian Christian community is weird move.  https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-834585