What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

@Zoupa.  The "why do you even post here" is just your usual bullying and rudeness.  Not intrinsically intellectually dishonest.  It's the "you don't think a liviing wage could have prevented them from being homeless."

[DGuller]

Does "homeless" include people who have low income jobs and live in their cars?

I would argue that regardless of whether it does or it doesn't, it's irrelevant to the conversation.  It is unfortunate that people on low enough income may have to live out of cars, but these people are not the political hot potato that make homelessness an issue we're discussing here.  The people that make most people feel threatened, the one that some MAGA want euthanized, and many on the left want more money thrown at to enhouse them, may be more accurately called "vagrants", but are generally the ones referred to as "homeless" in such discussions.

[Zoupa]

@Zoupa.  The "why do you even post here" is just your usual bullying and rudeness.  Not intrinsically intellectually dishonest.  It's the "you don't think a liviing wage could have prevented them from being homeless."

What makes this statement: "you don't think a living wage could have prevented them from being homeless"

Intellectual dishonesty
Invented facts
Distorted statements

which, in your definition, constitutes virtue signaling?

[Josquius]

Does "homeless" include people who have low income jobs and live in their cars?

I would argue that regardless of whether it does or it doesn't, it's irrelevant to the conversation.  It is unfortunate that people on low enough income may have to live out of cars, but these people are not the political hot potato that make homelessness an issue we're discussing here.  The people that make most people feel threatened, the one that some MAGA want euthanized, and many on the left want more money thrown at to enhouse them, may be more accurately called "vagrants", but are generally the ones referred to as "homeless" in such discussions.

Its a quite artificial distinction though. Goes back to old 19th century Poor Laws which separated out the Deserving and Undeserving poor.
In the MAGA use, by focusing on and pulling out the scummiest of the scummiest homeless people they get to pretend the numbers of total homeless are numbers for this worst example and attack all of them.

Also worth noting that even the nicest and most unfortunate of homeless people still takes up resources to try and look after- and the more resources you spend this way, on people who really would not be homeless if the property market was sane, wages were fair, etc.... then the fewer resources you have for handling the more difficult problems of those who have severe mental illnesses and substance issues.

[Admiral Yi]

What makes this statement: "you don't think a living wage could have prevented them from being homeless"

Intellectual dishonesty
Invented facts
Distorted statements

which, in your definition, constitutes virtue signaling?

The treatment of his response as bad faith.

[Zoupa]

What makes this statement: "you don't think a living wage could have prevented them from being homeless"

Intellectual dishonesty
Invented facts
Distorted statements

which, in your definition, constitutes virtue signaling?

The treatment of his response as bad faith.

is that intellectual dishonesty, invented facts or distorted statements?

[Admiral Yi]

is that intellectual dishonesty, invented facts or distorted statements?

Yes.  An accusation of bad faith means the statement you are responding to is false.

[Zoupa]

Z: "Paying a living wage would decrease homelessness"

R: "Won't do much for the homeless without a job"

Z: "Thank you captain obvious. Why do you even post that"

Y: "Z, you are debasing yourself by virtue-signaling"

Z: "Wtf are you on about"

About sums it up. Let's go back to ignoring each other.

[Admiral Yi]

You are mischaracterizing his post.  That's intellectually dishonest. He said the homeless he *knows* don't have a job.

[Zoupa]

   It's ok dude. Just take the L.

[Admiral Yi]

No, it's not OK.

[Razgovory]

No Zoupa, you're just an asshole.  It was clear from the discussion what we were talking about, at least if you were familiar with the US.  There are tons of homeless all over the city where I live.  They spend their times at intersections begging for money.  Those are the ones that we see and those are the ones MAGA hates, and as DG pointed out most people don't like them because they are afraid of them.  A living wage is the politically acceptable solution, but it won't work for people who do not have jobs.  Your instance on the politically acceptable solution even when it is not applicable is why Yi is accusing you of virtue signaling.  

[Norgy]

So, now that I have watched it, Trump's speech to the military brass was rather eerie.

Using cities as training grounds for the military? What is he on about?

[Josquius]

So, now that I have watched it, Trump's speech to the military brass was rather eerie.

Using cities as training grounds for the military? What is he on about?

Yes, it was very messed up.

I hope with the training grounds part he was just playing to the base who believe American cities are warzones. Like. Why send troops to keep Basra safe when you've LA, which looks exactly like in that Kurt Russel film.

No Zoupa, you're just an asshole.  It was clear from the discussion what we were talking about, at least if you were familiar with the US.  There are tons of homeless all over the city where I live.  They spend their times at intersections begging for money.  Those are the ones that we see and those are the ones MAGA hates, and as DG pointed out most people don't like them because they are afraid of them.  A living wage is the politically acceptable solution, but it won't work for people who do not have jobs.  Your instance on the politically acceptable solution even when it is not applicable is why Yi is accusing you of virtue signaling. 

I'm not seeing where he's being an asshole. Calling for a living wage seems pretty aligned with his general views so not sure how its virtue signalling either.

A living wage won't completely eliminate homelessness, but it is a vital part of the solution.  Beware of falling into the Nirvana fallacy.
I'd place sorting out housing above that but both are important.

[The Brain]

So, now that I have watched it, Trump's speech to the military brass was rather eerie.

Using cities as training grounds for the military? What is he on about?

Waging war on US cities. The military is ONLY about waging war now.