What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

Who's the target audience here?

Bros plus supporters of reciprocity.

[The Minsky Moment]

I think he is preaching to the choir.

The cultists are immune because they are cultists.  The "persuadables" mostly already don't like that aspect of Trump and so this won't move the needle.

[Valmy]

He wants to be President and the leader of the Democrats. Of course he is preaching to the choir, he wants the choir to back him.

[Admiral Yi]

@Joan

So what? Bernie and AOC held a couple bobo demonstrations in blue state cities and didn't move the needle.  Man buns screamed at ICE agents about their dick sizes and that didn't move the needle.  Newsome is making me chuckle and might IMO make some bros squirm or reconsider.

If you've got the magic formula to move the needle by all means share it with me.

[Valmy]

Newsome is making me chuckle and might IMO make some bros squirm or reconsider.

Well that is true. I think the more bros we have on our side the better. Bros respond to things said in their language.

[Syt]

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/16/nx-s1-5504196/trump-putin-summit-documents-left-behind

Government papers found in an Alaskan hotel reveal new details of Trump-Putin summit

Papers with U.S. State Department markings, found Friday morning in the business center of an Alaskan hotel, revealed previously undisclosed and potentially sensitive details about the Aug. 15 meetings between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir V. Putin in Anchorage.

Eight pages, that appear to have been produced by U.S. staff and left behind accidentally, shared precise locations and meeting times of the summit and phone numbers of U.S. government employees.

At around 9 a.m. on Friday, three guests at Hotel Captain Cook, a four-star hotel located 20 minutes from the Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Anchorage where leaders from the U.S. and Russia convened, found the documents left behind in one of the hotel's public printers. NPR reviewed photos of the documents taken by one of the guests, who NPR agreed not to identify because the guest said they feared retaliation.

The first page in the printed packet disclosed the sequence of meetings for August 15, including the specific names of the rooms inside the base in Anchorage where they would take place. It also revealed that Trump intended to give Putin a ceremonial present.

"POTUS to President Putin," the document states, "American Bald Eagle Desk Statue."

On Saturday, White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly dismissed the papers as a "multi-page lunch menu" and suggested leaving the information on a public printer was not a security breach. The U.S. Department of State did not respond to requests for comment.

Pages 2 through 5 of the documents listed the names and phone numbers of three U.S. staff members as well as the names of 13 U.S. and Russian state leaders. The list provided phonetic pronouncers for all the Russian men expected at the summit, including "Mr. President POO-tihn."

Pages 6 and 7 in the packet described how lunch at the summit would be served, and for whom. A menu included in the documents indicated that the luncheon was to be held "in honor of his excellency Vladimir Putin."

A seating chart shows that Putin and Trump were supposed to sit across from each other during the luncheon. Trump would be flanked by six officials: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles to his right, and Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent, Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick and Special Envoy for Peace Missions Steve Witkoff to his left. Putin would be seated immediately next to his Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov, and his Aide to the President for Foreign Policy, Yuri Ushakov.

During the summit Friday, lunch was apparently cancelled. But it was intended to be a simple, three-course meal, the documents showed. After a green salad, the world leaders would dine on filet mignon and halibut olympia. Crème brûlée would be served for dessert.

Jon Michaels, a professor of law at UCLA who lectures about national security, said that the documents found in the printer of the Alaskan hotel reveal a lapse in professional judgement in preparation for a high-stakes meeting.

"It strikes me as further evidence of the sloppiness and the incompetence of the administration," said Michaels. "You just don't leave things in printers. It's that simple."

The printed papers are the latest example of a series of security breaches by officials of the Trump administration. Earlier this week, members of a law enforcement group chat that included members of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) added a random person to a conversation about an ongoing search for a convicted attempted murderer. In March, U.S. national security leaders accidentally included a journalist in a group chat about impending military strikes in Yemen.

[DGuller]

The tricky things about Trump's style is that no one except for Trump managed to make it work.  Others who try fail catastrophically.  You can't just pick and choose parts of the style, they have to work together as a package.  The key most surely has to be to do yourself, just do yourself better than you have been, as demoralizing as it feels.

[Zoupa]

I imagine this is how career intelligence folks reacted to the whole Alaska shenanigans

[Tonitrus]

That's about right.

[Zoupa]

Who's the target audience here?

I think it's republicans and Fox News audiences.

[crazy canuck]

Newsome is making me chuckle and might IMO make some bros squirm or reconsider.

Well that is true. I think the more bros we have on our side the better. Bros respond to things said in their language.

If the US is really down to appealing to bros, probably best to dismantle and start over.

[Valmy]

If the US is really down to appealing to bros, probably best to dismantle and start over.

Bros vote and are a Republican leaning bunch. It's a good idea to appeal to them.

[The Minsky Moment]

@Joan

So what? Bernie and AOC held a couple bobo demonstrations in blue state cities and didn't move the needle.  Man buns screamed at ICE agents about their dick sizes and that didn't move the needle.  Newsome is making me chuckle and might IMO make some bros squirm or reconsider.

If you've got the magic formula to move the needle by all means share it with me.

I don't.  I hope you are right, I hope it works.

[Jacob]

I chuckled too.

Maybe the all caps obnoxious tweet is simply another media form now, like a podcast or tiktok clip. It's another way to reach certain audiences, and to be effective you follow the (in)appropriate conventions of the form.

[garbon]

I chuckled too.

Maybe the all caps obnoxious tweet is simply another media form now, like a podcast or tiktok clip. It's another way to reach certain audiences, and to be effective you follow the (in)appropriate conventions of the form.

Ugh. I guess as Joan said, I hope you are correct but from here it just feels like add in more shit to discourse for hypothetical benefits.