What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Zoupa]

It's kinda fascinating to watch these posters interaction in real-time.

This is so Languish btw. You guys will be arguing about what type of rifle the soldier is holding as you're getting led to the execution spot.

It's the tension between rationalism and romanticism.

You're probably right. It's just interesting to me how different folks focus on different things.

I can't really put it into words, but it's also fascinating to me to see Raz's evolving "takes".

[Admiral Yi]

I can't really put it into words, but it's also fascinating to me to see Raz's evolving "takes".

I agree that it's interesting.  He's developing self esteem and assertiveness by deriving opinions from first principles and defending those opinions.  He's me.

[Zoupa]

Sure, buddy.

[crazy canuck]

He's me.

In so many ways.  I wish he was better informed about the world around him.

[Admiral Yi]

Sure, buddy.

Case in point.  Your passive aggressive attempt to claim moral authority only works on a romantic, i.e. emotional level.  If a person's desire to be "right" is stronger than their desire to "belong,"  it will not have its desired outcome.

[Grey Fox]

We are, after all, all Yi.

[Zoupa]

Sure, buddy.

Case in point.  Your passive aggressive attempt to claim moral authority only works on a romantic, i.e. emotional level.  If a person's desire to be "right" is stronger than their desire to "belong,"  it will not have its desired outcome.

That's cool and all, but Raz is not right.

[The Minsky Moment]

He has the right to claim a country to which he is being deported is not suitable, the same as all other illegal aliens.

Not so, most people crossing the border illegally can be returned without even a hearing.

The refugee laws and procedures are fundamentally distinct from the immigration laws.  In the USA, immigration judges handle asylum claims and the asylum laws are found in the 8 USCs (Aliens and Nationality).  That is administratively convenient, but it has engendered confusion and Maga has exploited that confusion. The concept of "illegality" doesn't really make sense in the refugee/asylum context and rhetorically it has been abused by Maga to dehumanize their victims.  A refugee who doesn't satisfy the conditions for asylum isn't an "illegal" in the sense of somewhat crossing surreptitiously across the border to smuggle contraband.  They are people fleeing genuinely dangerous conditions without fully understanding the fine points of the UN/US definitions of refugee. Their entry into the US is not illegal, because the law explicitly authorizes them to make such entry and then present a good faith claim for refugee status, regardless of whether that claim is ultimately accepted.

[Razgovory]

Sure, buddy.

Case in point.  Your passive aggressive attempt to claim moral authority only works on a romantic, i.e. emotional level.  If a person's desire to be "right" is stronger than their desire to "belong,"  it will not have its desired outcome.

That's cool and all, but Raz is not right.

What am I wrong about?

[Admiral Yi]

A refugee who doesn't satisfy the conditions for asylum isn't an "illegal" in the sense of somewhat crossing surreptitiously across the border to smuggle contraband.

No shit.  He's an illegal in the sense that he's not a citizen, a green card holder, a temporary visa holder or holder of one of the minor temporary status documents.  He has no legal right to reside here.  He can legally be deported at will.  He's an illegal.

[The Minsky Moment]

Abrego Garcia and anyone else with withholding of deportation does have a legal right to reside in the US unless the government finds a valid destination willing to take him. For example, they are eligible for an EAD (right to work).

[Syt]

I feel Languish has spent more energy considering Abrego-Garcia's status than the Trump administration ever will.

[HVC]

I feel Languish has spent more energy considering Abrego-Garcia's status than the Trump administration ever will.

They don't work for a living, we need to create ways to pass our work hours

[The Minsky Moment]

I feel Languish has spent more energy considering Abrego-Garcia's status than the Trump administration ever will.

Not a chance.  They've put him on two international flights, spent thousands of hours of lawyer and agent time, and now they've ginned up a criminal case from an "informant".  It's the world's most dedicated manhunt for a hapless house painter.

[Syt]

That's fair. And sad.