What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[viper37]

"Bill criminalizing votes for immigrant sanctuary policies 'constitutionally suspect'


As Gov. Bill Lee's immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.

Included in the governor's wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action

The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions."

Constitutionally suspect.

https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/

They do God's work.  It's ok.

[Valmy]

So another plane crashed, this time in Philly: https://www.msn.com/en-us/public-safety-and-emergencies/health-and-safety-alerts/philadelphia-plane-crash-causes-fiery-scene-with-multiple-homes-ablaze/ar-AA1yd4Ut

I don't know if this is related to Trump shenanigans in the FAA.

[DGuller]

General aviation flights crash all the time, it's what they do.  Commercial airline crashes haven't happened since 2009, until this week.

[Valmy]

General aviation flights crash all the time, it's what they do.  Commercial airline crashes haven't happened since 2009, until this week.

Gotcha. Probably just a coincidence.

[Valmy]

Trump apparently saying he'll impose tariffs on the EU next.

Any more of our top trade partners he wants to attack?

[Valmy]

Aparantly there was a purge of the FBI today.

I guess eventually there will be nothing left for him to destroy.

[Grey Fox]

Trump apparently saying he'll impose tariffs on the EU next.

Any more of our top trade partners he wants to attack?

Top trade partners are countries you have been subsidizing. For some reasons, that has to end. Trump doesn't care about having a sphere of influence. He wants an empire.

[grumbler]

Top trade partners are countries you have been subsidizing. For some reasons, that has to end. Trump doesn't care about having a sphere of influence. He wants an empire.

How is the US subsidizing Canada?

[Grey Fox]

Top trade partners are countries you have been subsidizing. For some reasons, that has to end. Trump doesn't care about having a sphere of influence. He wants an empire.

How is the US subsidizing Canada?

I really don't know. It's what Trump keeps saying about our trade surplus/deficit.

[Razgovory]

The only thing I find upsetting about that BB is the idea that we are ending radical indoctrination. We are already teaching history based on those ideas. So the lie pisses me off, not the idea that those principles are some kind of upsetting thing he is introducing.

So like I said - I think this is a messaging issue and nothing more.  I certainly can't speak for every classroom and every teacher - there may be a few who teach full-on 1619 Project that America's foundation was built on racism and slavery, but I doubt very much it's widespread.  And even if it was, I doubt a Presidential EO will do much to change it given the federal system.

But Oex seemed to take offence at the idea contained within - and I just couldn't.

There is a connection with the 1619 project and something that Oex was complaining about, I don't think it's a connection he sees.  When you teach kids that America is founded on racism, genocide and slavery you are going to give them the impression that irredeemably evil, and many Americans, particularly on the left, do believe that.  People who believe that America is irredeemably evil aren't likely to vote.  They will either drop out of American politics or shift to the idea that America must be destroyed.  If America is a crime, there is no way to reform it.

And so you have voter apathy and calls for "decolonization".  Movements like "defund the police" are part of that.  There can be no reform, just abolition. Since decolonizing the United States, handing back all the land to native Americans, or dismantling the government in favor of a collection of anarchist communes is not remotely realistic, (and not even that desirable by the people who actually promote it), the result is simply people disconnecting from politics.  Moreover, calling for abolishing the police, or calling for decolonization is extremely alienating to the majority of Americans.

[garbon]

The only thing I find upsetting about that BB is the idea that we are ending radical indoctrination. We are already teaching history based on those ideas. So the lie pisses me off, not the idea that those principles are some kind of upsetting thing he is introducing.

So like I said - I think this is a messaging issue and nothing more.  I certainly can't speak for every classroom and every teacher - there may be a few who teach full-on 1619 Project that America's foundation was built on racism and slavery, but I doubt very much it's widespread.  And even if it was, I doubt a Presidential EO will do much to change it given the federal system.

But Oex seemed to take offence at the idea contained within - and I just couldn't.

There is a connection with the 1619 project and something that Oex was complaining about, I don't think it's a connection he sees.  When you teach kids that America is founded on racism, genocide and slavery you are going to give them the impression that irredeemably evil, and many Americans, particularly on the left, do believe that.  People who believe that America is irredeemably evil aren't likely to vote.  They will either drop out of American politics or shift to the idea that America must be destroyed.  If America is a crime, there is no way to reform it.

And so you have voter apathy and calls for "decolonization".  Movements like "defund the police" are part of that.  There can be no reform, just abolition. Since decolonizing the United States, handing back all the land to native Americans, or dismantling the government in favor of a collection of anarchist communes is not remotely realistic, (and not even that desirable by the people who actually promote it), the result is simply people disconnecting from politics.  Moreover, calling for abolishing the police, or calling for decolonization is extremely alienating to the majority of Americans.

Do you have proof of these assertions? The people you talk about in your 2nd paragraph can't have been adversely affected by the 1619 project as it only launched in 2019.

[Syt]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/uncategorized/2025/01/national-black-history-month-2025/

Today, I am very honored to recognize February 2025 as National Black History Month.

     Every year, National Black History Month is an occasion to celebrate the contributions of so many black American patriots who have indelibly shaped our Nation's history.

     Throughout our history, black Americans have been among our country's most consequential leaders, shaping the cultural and political destiny of our Nation in profound ways.  American heroes such as Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Thomas Sowell, Justice Clarence Thomas, and countless others represent what is best in America and her citizens.  Their achievements, which have monumentally advanced the tradition of equality under the law in our great country, continue to serve as an inspiration for all Americans.  We will also never forget the achievements of American greats like Tiger Woods, who have pushed the boundaries of excellence in their respective fields, paving the way for others to follow.

     This National Black History Month, as America prepares to enter a historic Golden Age, I want to extend my tremendous gratitude to black Americans for all they have done to bring us to this moment, and for the many future contributions they will make as we advance into a future of limitless possibility under my Administration.

     NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim February 2025 as National Black History Month.  I call upon public officials, educators, librarians, and all the people of the United States to observe this month with appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.

     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this thirty-first day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-ninth.

"American heroes such as [...] Justice Clarence Thomas"

And does Trump know who Thomas Sowell is? I assume his staff wrote him in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell#Joe_Biden_presidential_nomination

In 2020, Sowell wrote that if the Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, it could signal a point of no return for the United States, a tipping point akin to the fall of the Roman Empire. In an interview in July 2020, he stated that "the Roman Empire overcame many problems in its long history but eventually it reached a point where it could no longer continue, and much of that was from within, not just the barbarians attacking from outside." Sowell wrote that if Biden became president, the Democratic Party would have an enormous amount of control over the nation, and if this happened, they could twin with the "radical left" and ideas such as defunding the police could come to fruition.

[Syt]

Also, Trump doesn't feel bound by any collective bargaining agreements made by Biden in his last 30 days: https://www.whitehouse.gov/uncategorized/2025/01/limiting-lame-duck-collective-bargaining-agreements-that-improperly-attempt-to-constrain-the-new-president/

And any agency that wants to introduce a new regulation, must identify 10 others to repeal: https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-launches-massive-10-to-1-deregulation-initiative/

[Razgovory]

The only thing I find upsetting about that BB is the idea that we are ending radical indoctrination. We are already teaching history based on those ideas. So the lie pisses me off, not the idea that those principles are some kind of upsetting thing he is introducing.

So like I said - I think this is a messaging issue and nothing more.  I certainly can't speak for every classroom and every teacher - there may be a few who teach full-on 1619 Project that America's foundation was built on racism and slavery, but I doubt very much it's widespread.  And even if it was, I doubt a Presidential EO will do much to change it given the federal system.

But Oex seemed to take offence at the idea contained within - and I just couldn't.

There is a connection with the 1619 project and something that Oex was complaining about, I don't think it's a connection he sees.  When you teach kids that America is founded on racism, genocide and slavery you are going to give them the impression that irredeemably evil, and many Americans, particularly on the left, do believe that.  People who believe that America is irredeemably evil aren't likely to vote.  They will either drop out of American politics or shift to the idea that America must be destroyed.  If America is a crime, there is no way to reform it.

And so you have voter apathy and calls for "decolonization".  Movements like "defund the police" are part of that.  There can be no reform, just abolition. Since decolonizing the United States, handing back all the land to native Americans, or dismantling the government in favor of a collection of anarchist communes is not remotely realistic, (and not even that desirable by the people who actually promote it), the result is simply people disconnecting from politics.  Moreover, calling for abolishing the police, or calling for decolonization is extremely alienating to the majority of Americans.

Do you have proof of these assertions? The people you talk about in your 2nd paragraph can't have been adversely affected by the 1619 project as it only launched in 2019.

The idea that the US was founded on racism, slavery, and genocide predates Project 1619, so the project is just an example of such thought.  What kind of proof are you looking for?

[garbon]

The only thing I find upsetting about that BB is the idea that we are ending radical indoctrination. We are already teaching history based on those ideas. So the lie pisses me off, not the idea that those principles are some kind of upsetting thing he is introducing.

So like I said - I think this is a messaging issue and nothing more.  I certainly can't speak for every classroom and every teacher - there may be a few who teach full-on 1619 Project that America's foundation was built on racism and slavery, but I doubt very much it's widespread.  And even if it was, I doubt a Presidential EO will do much to change it given the federal system.

But Oex seemed to take offence at the idea contained within - and I just couldn't.

There is a connection with the 1619 project and something that Oex was complaining about, I don't think it's a connection he sees.  When you teach kids that America is founded on racism, genocide and slavery you are going to give them the impression that irredeemably evil, and many Americans, particularly on the left, do believe that.  People who believe that America is irredeemably evil aren't likely to vote.  They will either drop out of American politics or shift to the idea that America must be destroyed.  If America is a crime, there is no way to reform it.

And so you have voter apathy and calls for "decolonization".  Movements like "defund the police" are part of that.  There can be no reform, just abolition. Since decolonizing the United States, handing back all the land to native Americans, or dismantling the government in favor of a collection of anarchist communes is not remotely realistic, (and not even that desirable by the people who actually promote it), the result is simply people disconnecting from politics.  Moreover, calling for abolishing the police, or calling for decolonization is extremely alienating to the majority of Americans.

Do you have proof of these assertions? The people you talk about in your 2nd paragraph can't have been adversely affected by the 1619 project as it only launched in 2019.

The idea that the US was founded on racism, slavery, and genocide predates Project 1619, so the project is just an example of such thought.  What kind of proof are you looking for?

Proof of your assertion. 

And no, you can recognise that the US was founded by flawed human beings who engaged in morally reprehensible activities while simultaneously building rhetoric for lofty ideals. You can recognise that and still be an engaged citizen. Similar to how we can still praise enlightment thinking even though many of its exponets were unabashed racists.