What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Josquius]

So if they're catching them then that means the trial will be free and fair and he absolutely can't complain if loses

[Jacob]

So apparently the NY Court is going to release a full transcript of each day's court proceedings by the end of the following day.

New York Courts to Publish Daily Transcripts of Trump Trial

NEW YORK – With opening statements starting today in the historic trial The People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump (# 71543/2023), Chief Administrative Judge Joseph A. Zayas and First Deputy Chief Administrative Judge Norman St. George announced that trial transcripts will be available to the public on the court system's website at https://ww2.nycourts.gov/press/index.shtml.

The court system is taking the novel step of posting the daily transcripts of the trial proceedings on its public website– which falls in line with its landmark innovations to publish online the court's filings and decisions, as well as the case exhibits–to ensure broad and continuous public access to this extraordinarily high-profile case. A certified transcript of each day's trial proceeding will be posted online and publicly available before the end of the next business day.

"With current law restricting the broadcasting of trial proceedings and courtroom space for public spectators very limited, the release of the daily transcripts on the court system's website is the best way to provide the public a direct view of the proceedings in this historic trial," said Chief Administrative Judge Zayas. "This measure is in the interest of the public good and aligns with the court system's commitment to judicial transparency and its ongoing efforts to enhance public access to, and understanding of, the courts and justice system."

"This historic case, which has generated unparalleled public interest, calls for this historic step by the court system. I am pleased to join Chief Administrative Judge Zayas in announcing that the trial transcripts–providing a word-for-word account of the proceedings–will be posted daily on our website, giving the public ready access to the full, accurate court record. This will serve to enhance public understanding of the trial with minimum disruption to the courtroom proceedings," said First Deputy Chief Administrative Judge St. George.

News release here: https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/PR24_19.pdf

[Admiral Yi]

Giuliani and Meadows indicted in AZ fake electors case.

[The Minsky Moment]

"We are writing a rule for the ages." -- Neil Gorsuch

That one line encapsulates everything that has wrong with the Supreme Court, and how much the judicial right has betrayed its own supposed conservative principles.

[Syt]

Saw poll numbers today that public trust in the Supreme Court dropped 20 points within 4 years.

[Jacob]

Saw a good post on reddit that boiled down to something like:

It is typical in the US for public trust in the Supreme Court to be partisan. I.e. when the court comes out more progressive you'll have (rough numbers for illustrative purposes) 70% of Democrats trusting it and only 30% Republicans for a 50% trust rating (leaving out independents at this point).

The current court has the expected low level of trust from Democrats at 20% or whatever, because it's a very reactionary GOP court. However, in spite of it being a reactionary court, it did not support Trump's attempt to overthrow the election and drew a few hard lines against him in the past, which has suppressed support among Republicans and it's closer to 40% than the "normal" 70%, so therefore the overall approval rating is really low.

[Razgovory]

[viper37]

"We are writing a rule for the ages." -- Neil Gorsuch

That one line encapsulates everything that has wrong with the Supreme Court, and how much the judicial right has betrayed its own supposed conservative principles.

They said they don't want activist judges that write laws.  No one said anything about rules.

[Admiral Yi]

Guilty verdict in hush money trial.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Let's hope he goes to jail. Maybe they can get Hillary to lock the door while a choir sings 'lock him up'?

[Josquius]

Really surprised he couldn't use his power to squirm out of this one.
Alas sadly many live in bizzaro world where obviously the liberal woke commie corrupt state would use all it's power to convict him no matter what.

Reading comment from fake Georgia on the BBC sad to see nobody against Trump and rather lots of undecideds with Biden being old (so is trump!) being key.

[Admiral Yi]

I heard a talking head on CNN say that for a first time offense, non violent crime, time in the housegow is very unlikely.

Honestly probably for the better.  We don't want to make him a martyr.

[Josquius]

I heard a talking head on CNN say that for a first time offense conviction, non violent crime, time in the housegow is very unlikely.

Honestly probably for the better.  We don't want to make him a martyr.

Fixed.

[The Minsky Moment]

I heard a talking head on CNN say that for a first time offense, non violent crime, time in the housegow is very unlikely.

That's the usual outcome in New York state given the policy of avoiding unnecessary custodial sentences. However, it's worth noting that Trump pre-sentence report is going to look ugly - he may be a first time convict, but two companies he run have been convicted of crimes, he is under indictment in three other open cases, he violated court orders in this and other recent court cases, he was found liable for a massive business fraud in New York, he has shown contempt for the legal process throughout this and other matters, and of course he is not going to show contrition at sentencing or any acceptance of responsibility.

I think a probationary sentence is still likely but it will be interesting to see what position the DA's office takes and what conditions they recommend.  One standard condition of probaation in NY (and elsewhere) is not associating with other criminals - that provision could raise interesting questions if he wins the election and wants to give jobs to people like Bannon or Flynn.

[Barrister]

I heard a talking head on CNN say that for a first time offense, non violent crime, time in the housegow is very unlikely.

That's the usual outcome in New York state given the policy of avoiding unnecessary custodial sentences. However, it's worth noting that Trump pre-sentence report is going to look ugly - he may be a first time convict, but two companies he run have been convicted of crimes, he is under indictment in three other open cases, he violated court orders in this and other recent court cases, he was found liable for a massive business fraud in New York, he has shown contempt for the legal process throughout this and other matters, and of course he is not going to show contrition at sentencing or any acceptance of responsibility.

OK, so I do not know the specifics of New York criminal law, but the fact he's under indictment in other jurisdictions wouldn't I think be admissible, nor would the civil fraud decision.

On the other hand though Cohen was given three years for basically the same offences - and proportionality of sentences is usually a consideration.