What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Habbaku]

Yeah. Lock her up was always stupid and unbelievable in its idiocy, but believable from a campaigning perspective.

The new one is evil.

[frunk]

I'd agree it's more evil, but the country has survived dealing with evil before.  I'm not sure we're gonna survive the institutional damage.

The fundamental problem isn't that we have a guy spewing racist and conspiratorial nonsense in the White House, it's the support he gets from his party in Congress to continue doing it.

Anyway, time to crank some Brass Against.

[OttoVonBismarck]

To some extant they've always been there.  Republicans made overtures to them back in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  They've somehow managed to rise to the top in the GOP because the Conservative movement collapsed during the Bush years.

The Economist article on the end of Conservatism is to the same effect - Conservatives courted the loons thinking they could be controlled.  Didn't quite work out that way.

Just read that based on your comment and the article pretty much perfectly crystallizes my thoughts on the situation from a conservative perspective.

[OttoVonBismarck]

You know what? Anyone who tries to defend or dismiss the whole "send her back" ugliness, I just don't want to talk with.

This is a very clear fucking division line. If you think it is ok to call for citizens of your country to "go back where they came from", most of them whose parent(s) also born in the same country to make it worse, then we clearly have very different views on what equality, heck on what being a human, means.

So either drop the troll act, or fuck off.

Yep, as someone who has never voted Dem (before HRC) and thought I never would, Trump has created a watershed moment for America where I think there is a moral requirement to vote against him. I actually have told some extended family that are serious Trumpers and who I email debate with a lot that I consider further support for Trump so gravely immoral that I will simply discontinue affiliation with people that for whatever reason have convinced themselves his behavior is fine.

[mongers]

You know what? Anyone who tries to defend or dismiss the whole "send her back" ugliness, I just don't want to talk with.

This is a very clear fucking division line. If you think it is ok to call for citizens of your country to "go back where they came from", most of them whose parent(s) also born in the same country to make it worse, then we clearly have very different views on what equality, heck on what being a human, means.

So either drop the troll act, or fuck off.

Yep, as someone who has never voted Dem (before HRC) and thought I never would, Trump has created a watershed moment for America where I think there is a moral requirement to vote against him. I actually have told some extended family that are serious Trumpers and who I email debate with a lot that I consider further support for Trump so gravely immoral that I will simply discontinue affiliation with people that for whatever reason have convinced themselves his behavior is fine.

Otto, that's quite an astonishing position to find yourself in.


I agree with you, I was going say as much in my post above.

[Razgovory]

What bothers me is that a large portion of this country actually like this.

[Legbiter]

I agree with you, I was going say as much in my post above.

I personally don't think it's a good or even a sane response to Trump or Brexit or whatever tweet of the day to take one's own mental derangement regarding it out on one's friend's and family.

[Eddie Teach]

Maybe yoga.

Maybe enabling of troll enablers should also make the list.

If you're still letting Trump's Twitter feed upset you, that can't be good for your health.

[Legbiter]

If you're still letting Trump's Twitter feed upset you, that can't be good for your health.

Yeah.

Also keep in mind "the Squad" just instantly achieved national fame. They're the stars of the Democratic party now. Trump just helped their re-election chances enormously.   

[The Minsky Moment]

AOC actually votes with Trump on some stuff - there about 20% in agreement on votes this year, on the higher end for a Democrat.  He is objectively probably better off with someone like her than a generic Bronx liberal.

[chipwich]

Uh trump isnt a member of congress.

[The Minsky Moment]

Glad we got that nailed down

[Oexmelin]

I personally don't think it's a good or even a sane response to Trump or Brexit or whatever tweet of the day to take one's own mental derangement regarding it out on one's friend's and family.

Rather than parrot conservative snickering talking points ("Trump derangement syndrome", ironic use of "deplorable", etc.), it would be a nice change if you, or any other people who are In on The Joke, would explain why, exactly, they think it's no big deal. Is it because the American presidency is powerless (and thus, whatever Trump says is irrelevant)? Is it because public rhetoric has no political importance (and thus, what *really* matters happens elsewhere, and is in fact disconnected from Trump). Is it because legitimate critique should target something else?

[garbon]

And now Trump is trying to disavow the chant.

[Tamas]

And now Trump is trying to disavow the chant.

Reading comments from his Hungarian fanbois, this the continuation of the masterful maneuver started with the original tweet.