What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Berkut]

And true.

Well, I am sure you would not say something like that without some examples of how my stance has changed, such that I clearly "do not actually care about freedom".

Find me one example on one specific topic, should be easy, given your certainty about my views.

[derspiess]

And true.

Well, I am sure you would not say something like that without some examples of how my stance has changed, such that I clearly "do not actually care about freedom".

Find me one example on one specific topic, should be easy, given your certainty about my views.

You already pretty much did in the post Brain quoted.  Are you claiming you have not changed your opinion on expanding the role of government in the past 20 or so years?

[The Minsky Moment]

I did not realize that our brave patriot forefathers fought and died for the treasured freedom to borrow money at 40%

Oh wait, that's because they didn't.  Most or all the colonies and then states had strict usury laws and the founders drafted a constitution permitting commercial regulation.

[crazy canuck]

I did not realize that our brave patriot forefathers fought and died for the treasured freedom to borrow money at 40%

Oh wait, that's because they didn't.  Most or all the colonies and then states had strict usury laws and the founders drafted a constitution permitting commercial regulation.

The founding fathers did not actually care about freedom

[frunk]

You already pretty much did in the post Brain quoted.  Are you claiming you have not changed your opinion on expanding the role of government in the past 20 or so years?

Government isn't antithetical to freedom, power imbalance is.  Which means expanding or contracting government (depending on the situation and what is expanding or contracting) could aid or hinder freedom.

[Berkut]

And true.

Well, I am sure you would not say something like that without some examples of how my stance has changed, such that I clearly "do not actually care about freedom".

Find me one example on one specific topic, should be easy, given your certainty about my views.

You already pretty much did in the post Brain quoted.  Are you claiming you have not changed your opinion on expanding the role of government in the past 20 or so years?

Not the claim you made - you claimed I "do not care about freedom".

Surely you would not engage in the intellectually dishonest practice of claiming I said one thing, then when someone asks for why you would say that, shifting to a completely different claim?

[dps]

Come on Berkut, we all know that what you really care about isn't freedom, it's winning arguments on Languish. 

Seriously, though, while you have always claimed to be a moderate, I don't really find many of your positions moderate.  I stated this at least once before, but I view you as very conservative on foreign affairs and international relations, but moderately to quite liberal on most domestic issues.  I don't think that make you a moderate, exactly.  But I would never say that you don't care about freedom, though you and I might often disagree about how much government regulation is appropriate.

[crazy canuck]

You and Berkut are right wing in all your views.  What do you mean by "quite liberal" the American meaning of that word is confusing at the best of times.

[Eddie Teach]

Ok, Tyr.

[dps]

You and Berkut are right wing in all your views.  What do you mean by "quite liberal" the American meaning of that word is confusing at the best of times.

If you can't tell the difference between Berkut and myself on domestic American issues, you simply haven't been paying attention.  In the 2018 general elections, I think I voted for 24 Republicans and 3 Democrats.  You really think that Berkut did the same?

[Grey Fox]

You and Berkut are right wing in all your views.  What do you mean by "quite liberal" the American meaning of that word is confusing at the best of times.

If you can't tell the difference between Berkut and myself on domestic American issues, you simply haven't been paying attention.  In the 2018 general elections, I think I voted for 24 Republicans and 3 Democrats.  You really think that Berkut did the same?

You are really really different but in the end exactly the same. Right wing.

[Malthus]

Oh come on. Yes, Americans trend to the right of the spectrum when compared to the rest of the world. But there is a huge difference between Berkut and the Republican party position these days, on nearly everything. 

[grumbler]

I'm not sure it is useful to try to convince a zealot that non-zealots are different from one another.  I don't think that their position is amenable to reason.

[jimmy olsen]

Another appeals court rules that Trump's ending of DACA was illegal

https://thehill.com/latino/444239-appeals-court-rules-trump-end-of-daca-was-unlawful

[crazy canuck]

Oh come on. Yes, Americans trend to the right of the spectrum when compared to the rest of the world. But there is a huge difference between Berkut and the Republican party position these days, on nearly everything. 

No doubt.  The claim is not that Berkut is a Trumpist. He certainly is not.  The claim is that he is right wing. In the context of the left/right political spectrum I am not sure how one could characterize Berkut as being left wing on any issue.

Replace the name Berkut with Frum another right winger who is vehemently opposed to Trump and you will see the point.