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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Barrister

Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

alfred russel

Quote from: garbon on June 07, 2017, 02:47:09 AM
Fun!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/kids-are-quoting-trump-to-bully-their-classmates?utm_term=.irKj2JrvZ#.qgmNK8R93

QuoteKids Are Quoting Trump To Bully Their Classmates And Teachers Don't Know What To Do About It
BuzzFeed News reviewed more than 50 reports of school bullying since the election and found that kids nationwide are using Trump's words to taunt their classmates. If the president can say those things, why can't they?

Most of the incidents in the article aren't about using Trump's words to taunt their classmates.

But to the extent they are, maybe they should tell the kids to suck it up? Nothing Trump has said is really so over the line as a school yard taunt.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

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-garbon, February 23, 2014

The Minsky Moment

Mattis announces the Trump doctrine: try to be patient while we screw everything up, eventually he'll do the right thing.

#MAWA

This one will really make Seedy's day

https://www.ft.com/content/680c7184-4aa3-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

QuoteIn diplomacy, what goes unsaid is often as important as what is actually said.

That was apparent at this year's Shangri-La Dialogue, an important annual defence forum for the Asia-Pacific region. In previous years, the US and other nations concerned about Beijing's assertive maritime policies in the East and South China Seas have engaged in bitter rhetorical clashes with Chinese officials.

This year's forum, which was held in Singapore at the weekend, was devoid of the usual diplomatic fireworks, for three main reasons.

First, the profound uncertainty over Donald Trump's policy toward Asia (and just about everything else) meant that few Asian officials put much credence in an attempt at reassurance by James Mattis, US defence secretary, who attended the gathering.

Second, Beijing has successfully changed the status quo in the disputed waters of the South China Sea by building and starting to put armaments on several islands, making the usual calls for China to halt its "militarisation" irrelevant.

Third, Southeast Asian nations have responded to these first two trends by cosying up to Beijing.
Take the example of Singapore, the host of the forum and a small island nation that has long tried to balance its deep defence ties with the US, hosting its warships and spy planes, and its close economic and political ties to China.

A resurgent China, emboldened by a US retreat from the world stage under Mr Trump and Beijing's victories in the South China Sea, is no longer so willing to accept what it sees as double-dealing by the likes of Singapore.

Chinese officials have displayed their displeasure. First, nine Singaporean army vehicles were impounded when they were in transit through Hong Kong last year. They then delivered a further snub by declining to invite Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore's prime minister, to President Xi Jinping's high-profile Belt and Road investment summit last month.

Ng Eng Hen, Singapore's defence minister, was keen to build bridges with Beijing when he spoke to the assembled generals, diplomats and policy wonks at the Shangri-La hotel at the weekend.

He made no mention of Singapore's long-running concerns about Chinese behaviour in the South China Sea and fawned over the Belt and Road project, while sniping at Mr Trump for abandoning the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Singapore and other Southeast Asian nations, including Malaysia and Vietnam, had been banking on the TPP to ensure the economic rules in the Asia-Pacific region were set by Washington as much as Beijing.

Mr Ng described the TPP as the "heaviest casualty" of Mr Trump's "re-visiting of rules and practices governing trade for our region".

"In contrast," he added, "China has stepped on the pedal to push ahead with its plans to be a leader for trade in the Asia Pacific region, if not the world."

Mr Mattis, a well-respected former general, tried to reassure Singaporeans and others by nodding to a quote from an unnamed "British observer" that is sometimes attributed to Winston Churchill.

"Bear with us," he said. "Once we've exhausted all possible alternatives, the Americans will do the right thing."


But the US's friends were not convinced by these words. Nor were Chinese observers.

After listening to Mr Mattis, one Chinese academic said that US foreign policy under Mr Trump could be described as the "three Nos": no expertise, no policy framework, no strategic consensus.

From Jakarta to Hanoi and Manila to Kuala Lumpur, Southeast Asian diplomats endlessly repeat dictums about having "a thousand friends and no enemies" and not wanting to choose between the US and China. Unfortunately, they have increasingly little choice.

Rex Tillerson, the US secretary of state, said on a trip to Australia on Monday that "we cannot allow China to use its economic power to buy its way out of other problems, whether it's militarising islands in the South China Sea or failure to put appropriate pressure on North Korea".

But Beijing's offer of tangible economic benefits for co-operation and significant economic punishment for defiance has prompted Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Vietnam to lean back from the US to China.

Faced with a large Chinese stick, and plenty of tasty carrots, an exhortation to "bear with us" is not enough to give Southeast Asian nations much faith in the direction of US foreign policy.

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--Joan Robinson

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on June 07, 2017, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 07, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2017, 09:13:30 AM
Spicey has been hoping for Pence to replace him ASAP all along I think.

Pence was chairman of the transition team; if this goes as deep as it appears to keep going, he'll get wrapped up in it all, too.

Part of what makes this whole thing different that Watergate or Iran-Contra was how much occurred during the campaign, after the election and before inauguration.  All these people were not all in government at the time.  That puts them at even greater legal risk.

Not necessarily.  Mostly this just all comes down to Trump himself, and how he likes to keep things organized (or rather disorganized): with no clear lines of authority and multiple groups, all fighting to his support and attention.

There have been plenty of stories of Trump appointees doing the right thing, even if it upset Trump.  Take the Session story listed above.  Or here's another story about how the director of National Intelligence, and the director of the NSA (both Trump appointees), were asked by Trump to try and convince Comey to quash the Russia investigation.  Both refused.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-intelligence-official-told-associates-trump-asked-him-if-he-could-intervene-with-comey-to-get-fbi-to-back-off-flynn/2017/06/06/cc879f14-4ace-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html?utm_term=.d576f3adc3b4

Now, nothing is going to surprise me these days.  So maybe evidence linking Pence to Russia will come out.  But none has so far.

Go fuck yourself.

Jacob

QuoteAfter listening to Mr Mattis, one Chinese academic said that US foreign policy under Mr Trump could be described as the "three Nos": no expertise, no policy framework, no strategic consensus.

The Chinese do like their lists like that.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 07, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2017, 09:13:30 AM
Spicey has been hoping for Pence to replace him ASAP all along I think.

Pence was chairman of the transition team; if this goes as deep as it appears to keep going, he'll get wrapped up in it all, too.

Part of what makes this whole thing different that Watergate or Iran-Contra was how much occurred during the campaign, after the election and before inauguration.  All these people were not all in government at the time.  That puts them at even greater legal risk.

There's no "there" there, in spite of all your hopes & dreams.  Bark up some other tree, snowflake.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

HVC

Quote from: derspiess on June 07, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 07, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2017, 09:13:30 AM
Spicey has been hoping for Pence to replace him ASAP all along I think.

Pence was chairman of the transition team; if this goes as deep as it appears to keep going, he'll get wrapped up in it all, too.

Part of what makes this whole thing different that Watergate or Iran-Contra was how much occurred during the campaign, after the election and before inauguration.  All these people were not all in government at the time.  That puts them at even greater legal risk.

There's no "there" there, in spite of all your hopes & dreams.  Bark up some other tree, snowflake.

We'll see . when you work for a puppet you often get tied up in his strings.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Admiral Yi

My money is on Pence being clean.  He was after all pretty much the guy who got Flynn fired.

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on June 07, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
There's no "there" there, in spite of all your hopes & dreams.  Bark up some other tree, snowflake.

How do you know, raindrop?

Barrister

So in testimony today Coats and Rogers (the guys who I mentioned above as doing "the right thing" when asked to speak to Comey about backing off the Russia investigation) both said they did not feel "pressured" to intervene in an investigation.  They both pointedly refused to answer whether or not Trump had asked them to intervene however.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/07/trump-russia-capitol-hill-testimony-hearings-239242
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on June 07, 2017, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 07, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
There's no "there" there, in spite of all your hopes & dreams.  Bark up some other tree, snowflake.

How do you know, raindrop?

BURN :pinch:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

HVC

Quote from: Barrister on June 07, 2017, 12:33:59 PM
So in testimony today Coats and Rogers (the guys who I mentioned above as doing "the right thing" when asked to speak to Comey about backing off the Russia investigation) both said they did not feel "pressured" to intervene in an investigation.  They both pointedly refused to answer whether or not Trump had asked them to intervene however.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/07/trump-russia-capitol-hill-testimony-hearings-239242

So, basically he asked but they're uncomfortable saying it on the record to avoid repercussions
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on June 07, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
BURN :pinch:

You must be very sensitive, getting burned by raindrops like that :console:

More seriously, what do you base the "there's nothing there" re: Pence on? I don't think we have much to go on either way, so is it just my-team boosterism or is there something more substantial behind your assertion?

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on June 07, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
There's no "there" there, in spite of all your hopes & dreams.  Bark up some other tree, snowflake.

Nigga please; at times that campaign team was smaller than a table on Poker After Dark.  Pence couldn't have been in the shitter all the time.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Jacob on June 07, 2017, 01:08:50 PM
More seriously, what do you base the "there's nothing there" re: Pence on? I don't think we have much to go on either way, so is it just my-team boosterism or is there something more substantial behind your assertion?

derfetusfacefucker might have a point;  if we remember to look at this Administration through the organized crime prism, there is need and necessity for the clean front man.  But wouldn't Rinse Grievous fill that role better?

Thing is, they've never really needed one before--and besides, I don't think this group is that smart.