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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Quote from: Grey Fox on May 23, 2017, 10:21:53 AM
Any other running away other than McCain?

Pretty much the entire Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.  However, since no one is yet running for the 2018 elections, the numbers today are not meaningful.  I was making a prediction for 2018, as were you.
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More obstruction. <_<

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-asked-intelligence-chiefs-to-push-back-against-fbi-collusion-probe-after-comey-revealed-its-existence/2017/05/22/394933bc-3f10-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumprussia-629pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.eba78a6260f2

QuoteTrump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe after Comey revealed its existence

By Adam Entous and Ellen Nakashima 

May 22  

President Trump asked two of the nation's top intelligence officials in March to help him push back against an FBI investigation into possible coordination between his campaign and the Russian government, according to current and former officials.

Trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and to Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.

Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the requests, which they both deemed to be inappropriate, according to two current and two former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private communications with the president.

Trump sought the assistance of Coats and Rogers after FBI Director James B. Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 20 that the FBI was investigating "the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts."

Trump's conversation with Rogers was documented contemporaneously in an internal memo written by a senior NSA official, according to the officials. It is unclear if a similar memo was prepared by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to document Trump's conversation with Coats. Officials said such memos could be made available to both the special counsel now overseeing the Russia investigation and congressional investigators, who might explore whether Trump sought to impede the FBI's work.

White House officials say Comey's testimony about the scope of the FBI investigation upset Trump, who has dismissed the FBI and congressional investigations as a "witch hunt." The president has repeatedly said there was no collusion.

Current and former senior intelligence officials viewed Trump's requests as an attempt by the president to tarnish the credibility of the agency leading the Russia investigation.




A senior intelligence official said Trump's goal was to "muddy the waters" about the scope of the FBI probe at a time when Democrats were ramping up their calls for the Justice Department to appoint a special counsel, a step announced last week.

Senior intelligence officials also saw the March requests as a threat to the independence of U.S. spy agencies, which are supposed to remain insulated from partisan issues.

"The problem wasn't so much asking them to issue statements, it was asking them to issue false statements about an ongoing investigation," a former senior intelligence official said of the request to Coats.

The NSA and Brian Hale, a spokesman for Coats, declined to comment, citing the ongoing investigation.

"The White House does not confirm or deny unsubstantiated claims based on illegal leaks from anonymous individuals," a White House spokesman said. "The president will continue to focus on his agenda that he was elected to pursue by the American people."

In addition to the requests to Coats and Rogers, senior White House officials sounded out top intelligence officials about the possibility of intervening directly with Comey to encourage the FBI to drop its probe of Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, according to people familiar with the matter. The officials said the White House appeared uncertain about its power to influence the FBI.

"Can we ask him to shut down the investigation? Are you able to assist in this matter?" one official said of the line of questioning from the White House.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said the report is "yet another disturbing allegation that the President was interfering in the FBI probe." Schiff said in a statement that Congress "will need to bring the relevant officials back to testify on these matters, and obtain any memoranda that reflect such conversations."

The new revelations add to a growing body of evidence that Trump sought to co-opt and then undermine Comey before he fired him May 9. According to notes kept by Comey, Trump first asked for his loyalty at a dinner in January and then, at a meeting the next month, asked him to drop the probe into Flynn. Trump disputes those accounts.




Current and former officials said that Trump either lacks an understanding of the FBI's role as an independent law enforcement agency or does not care about maintaining such boundaries.

Trump's effort to use the director of national intelligence and the NSA director to dispute Comey's statement and to say there was no evidence of collusion echoes President Richard Nixon's "unsuccessful efforts to use the CIA to shut down the FBI's investigation of the Watergate break-in on national security grounds," said Jeffrey H. Smith, a former general counsel at the CIA. Smith called Trump's actions "an appalling abuse of power."

Trump made his appeal to Coats days after Comey's testimony, according to officials.

That same week, Trump telephoned Rogers to make a similar appeal.

In his call with Rogers, Trump urged the NSA director to speak out publicly if there was no evidence of collusion, according to officials briefed on the exchange.

Rogers was taken aback but tried to respectfully explain why he could not do so, the officials said. For one thing, he could not comment on an ongoing investigation. Rogers added that he would not talk about classified matters in public.

While relations between Trump and Comey were strained by the Russia probe, ties between the president and the other intelligence chiefs, including Rogers, Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, appear to be less contentious, according to officials.

Rogers met with Trump in New York shortly after the election, and Trump's advisers at the time held him out as the leading candidate to be the next director of national intelligence.

The Washington Post subsequently reported that President Barack Obama's defense secretary and director of national intelligence had recommended that Rogers be removed as head of the NSA.

Ultimately, Trump decided to nominate Coats, rather than Rogers. Coats was sworn in just days before the president made his request.

In February, the Trump White House also sought to enlist senior members of the intelligence community and Congress to push back against suggestions that Trump associates were in frequent contact with Russian officials. But in that case, the White House effort was designed to refute news accounts, not the testimony of a sitting FBI director who was leading an open investigation.

Trump and his allies in Congress have similarly sought to deflect scrutiny over Russia by attempting to pit U.S. intelligence agencies against one another.

In December, Trump's congressional allies falsely claimed that the FBI did not concur with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. Comey and then-CIA Director John Brennan later said that the bureau and the agency were in full agreement on Moscow's intentions.

As the director of national intelligence, Coats leads the vast U.S. intelligence community, which includes the FBI. But that does not mean he has full visibility into the FBI probe. Coats's predecessor in the job, James R. Clapper Jr., recently acknowledged that Comey did not brief him on the scope of the Russia investigation. Similarly, it is unclear to what extent the FBI has brought Coats up to speed on the probe's most sensitive findings.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/24/trump-rodrigo-duterte-call-transcript-238758

QuoteTrump praises Duterte for 'unbelievable job' cracking down on drugs in the Philippines

President Donald Trump congratulated his Filipino counterpart, Rodrigo Duterte, during a phone call last month for doing "an unbelievable job on the drug problem" in the Philippines, where the government has sanctioned the extrajudicial killing of suspects.

A transcript of the April 29 conversation published online by The Intercept and reported by multiple media outlets, including The New York Times, comes from the Office of American Affairs in the Philippines' Department of Foreign Affairs. The transcript is preceded by a coversheet marked "confidential" that lays out security procedures for the document.

"I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem," Trump told Duterte, according to the transcript. "Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that."

According to the State Department's 2016 Human Rights Report, which was last updated in March, police and vigilantes in the Philippines had killed more than 6,000 suspected drug dealers since July, the month after Duterte took office. An "apparent governmental disregard for human rights and due process" was among the State Department's "most significant human rights problems" in the Philippines.


While Trump began his conversation with Duterte by congratulating him on his approach to dealing with his nation's drug problem, the two men spent the bulk of their call discussing North Korea and its dictator, Kim Jong Un. Duterte told Trump that Kim is "not stable" and that he seems to be "always laughing" when he has a "dangerous toy in his hands which could create so much agony and suffering for all mankind," a reference to North Korea's efforts to obtain a nuclear weapon and a missile capable of delivering it.

Trump disclosed that the U.S. has stationed two nuclear submarines in the area, which he called "the best in the world," but cautioned that he did not want to have to use them.
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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
:lol:

It is pretty unbelievable I admit.

He just likes praising foreign leaders and being praised by them. Speaking fluff to power.
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Grey Fox

In 20 years we will debate whether Obama or Trump were responsible for the moral bankruptcy of America & the subsequent ascendancy of China into the #1 social/cultural world power.

but sure. Trump, off limit.
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Valmy

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 24, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
In 20 years we will debate whether Obama or Trump were responsible for the moral bankruptcy of America & the subsequent ascendancy of China into the #1 social/cultural world power.

but sure. Trump, off limit.

China is welcome to it. But they have their own problems.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Well, that's weird.  Judging by the photos, Melania and Ivanka are wearing veils when they meet the Pope.
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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 24, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
Well, that's weird.  Judging by the photos, Melania and Ivanka are wearing veils when they meet the Pope.

Yep. And they also covered their heads for the Temple Mount.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Grey Fox

#10451
It's the Vatican dress code for women.

Black, long sleeve, veil.
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celedhring

Vatican protocol. Only female monarchs of countries that never embraced Protestantism (like Spain) are allowed the "white privilege" of wearing white when meeting the Pope. Head covered at all times, though.

But yeah, I guess that being defiant in front of Muslims is okay, but gotta respect Catholics and Jews. That said, the meeting with the Sauds didn't involve a religious authority or a holy site, so I guess they have an out.

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Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 24, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 24, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
China is welcome to it.

No they're not, goddammit. :mad:  Fuck

The Chinese cultural contribution this past year was one awful Matt Damon movie. I think we are safe from their cultural domination for a bit longer.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."