What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Valmy]

Poor Otto

[Zanza]

Poor Otto

He is seen as an ambivalent historical figure with obvious great achievements but also major flaws.

[Malthus]

At least there will be no need for the tiresome 'Who is the worst US president ever' discussion anymore.

Oh God. The constant ranking of the Presidents is so tiresome.

How fortunate you are of having Trump as President.  We Canadians, are still debating who's the worst PM in our history.

We are, however, spoiled for choice for the title of "most mediocre". 

[viper37]

Russia probe reaches current WH official

Someone close to Trump... hmm.  Kushner?  Bannon?

[viper37]

Yeah, they keep putting Washington so high for some reason.

If he'd remained loyal to his king and country, the Americans wouldn't be in this mess now. 

He was loyal to his country, just not to his King.

[celedhring]

At least there will be no need for the tiresome 'Who is the worst US president ever' discussion anymore.

Oh God. The constant ranking of the Presidents is so tiresome.

We've got, like, six of them (one barely lasting a year)  so for now we don't have much to debate about.

I'd also say that top and bottom are relatively noncontroversial.

[CountDeMoney]

Do you guys do list of top German Chancellors? Does Bismark always win?

Konrad Adenauer wins

You pussies.  Nothing ever in moderation.

[Valmy]

At least there will be no need for the tiresome 'Who is the worst US president ever' discussion anymore.

Oh God. The constant ranking of the Presidents is so tiresome.

We've got, like, six of them (one barely lasting a year)  so for now we don't have much to debate about.

I'd also say that top and bottom are relatively noncontroversial.

You only count the ones since Generalissimo Francisco Franco started staying dead? Why?

[celedhring]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Trump Told Russians That Firing 'Nut Job' Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation
By MATT APUZZO, MAGGIE HABERMAN and MATTHEW ROSENBERGMAY 19, 2017

WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved "great pressure" on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

Mr. Trump added, "I'm not under investigation."

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that Mr. Trump dismissed him primarily because of the bureau's investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

The White House document that contained Mr. Trump's comments was based on notes taken from inside the Oval Office and has been circulated as the official account of the meeting. One official read quotations to The Times, and a second official confirmed the broad outlines of the discussion.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.

In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president's ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.

"By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia's actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia," Mr. Spicer said. "The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations."

Mr. Comey told a friend he was dismayed by Mr. Trump's attempts to build a personal relationship with him.
President Trump referred to a "witch hunt" against him and insisted there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia.
The deputy attorney general said he knew the decision to fire Mr. Comey was made before he wrote the memo justifying it.
The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia's foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation.

A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the "pressure" he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year's election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

The president has been adamant that the meddling did not alter the outcome of the race, but it has become a political cudgel for his opponents.

Many Democrats and some Republicans have raised alarms that the president may have tried to obstruct justice by firing Mr. Comey. The Justice Department's newly appointed special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, was given the authority to investigate not only potential collusion, but also related allegations, which would include obstruction of justice.

The F.B.I.'s investigation has bedeviled the Trump administration, and the president personally. Mr. Comey publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation in March, telling Congress that his agents were investigating Russian efforts to influence the outcome of the presidential election and whether anyone in the Trump campaign had been involved. Mr. Trump has denied any collusion and called the case a waste of money and time.

At first, the White House said Mr. Trump fired Mr. Comey based on the recommendation of the Justice Department, and because of Mr. Comey's handling of the F.B.I. investigation into Hillary Clinton last year. Officials said it had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.

But the president undercut that argument a day later, telling NBC News, "When I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story."

I guess we're fortunate that he debriefs his handlers in front of everybody. 

[CountDeMoney]

Always review the meeting minutes before voting them into the record.

[CountDeMoney]

Maybe they should get that transcript from Putin after all.

[Razgovory]

I can't stop laughing.   We are all going to die.

[dps]

You know, the Republican partisans voted Republican. 

Well, yeah, D'oh.  And the Democratic partisans voted Democratic.  As always, it was the swing voters who decided the Presidential election.

[CountDeMoney]

As always, it was the swing voters who decided the Presidential election.

No they didn't.  Lower Democrat turnout simply exceeded lower Republican turnout.

[11B4V]

Always review the meeting minutes before voting them into the record.