What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[celedhring]

I love Trump's weird use of quotation marks in his tweets. It never makes any sense.

[CountDeMoney]

I love Trump's weird use of quotation marks in his tweets. It never makes any sense.

It's his verbal pulled punches.  That way, he can say something and then call it back later.

[garbon]

garbon is going to be somebody's war bride.

I don't think that's how that term works.

[garbon]

We had a good run.

Says the guy who jumped ship. 

I'm on a 5 year visa. Ok?

Can you still get citizenship after 3?

No. However, you can apply for indefinite leave to remain once you hit 5 years.

Good to know you have options. I'm stuck on the same continent as this shit show. 

I did tell my aunt that I was glad that Britain was moving to become irrelevant with Brexit. Hopefully no one will care about London when shit starts to go down.

[celedhring]

I love Trump's weird use of quotation marks in his tweets. It never makes any sense.

It's his verbal pulled punches.  That way, he can say something and then call it back later.

I think you're giving him way too much credit 

Maybe the best thing to do would be to cancel all future "press briefings" and hand out written responses for the sake of accuracy???

[Savonarola]

I've only skimmed the news on and off since the election.  With the firing of Comey I went back to CNN and while there are a number of articles concerning what late night talk show hosts said about Comey's firing, I also discovered that:

Trump gets 2 scoops of ice cream, others get 1

Of course you can't just run one article on such an important topic:

Trump gets 2 scoops of ice cream, everyone else gets 1 -- and other top lines from his Time interview

And Ice Cream Gate was used as the basis for Michael D'Antonio' thought provoking opinion piece:

The little boy president

I see that I've missed a lot in the past seven months.

[derspiess]

I love Trump's weird use of quotation marks in his tweets. It never makes any sense.

It's his verbal pulled punches.  That way, he can say something and then call it back later.

Seedy's become our resident Trumpologist

[11B4V]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/12/media/melissa-mccarthy-spicer-cnn/index.html

[Valmy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/sunday/if-liberals-hate-him-then-trump-must-be-doing-something-right.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=1

If Liberals Hate Him, Then Trump Must Be Doing Something Right

If there was one principle that used to unite conservatives, it was respect for the rule of law. Not long ago, conservatives would have been horrified at wholesale violations of the norms and traditions of our political system, and would have been appalled by a president who showed overt contempt for the separation of powers.

But this week, as if on cue, most of the conservative media fell into line, celebrating President Trump's abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James Comey, and dismissing the fact that Mr. Comey was leading an investigation into the Trump campaign and its ties to Russia. "Dems in Meltdown Over Comey Firing," declared a headline on Fox News, as Tucker Carlson gleefully replayed clips of Democrats denouncing the move. "It's just insane actually," he said, referring to their reactions. On Fox and talk radio, the message was the same, with only a few conservatives willing to sound a discordant or even cautious note.

The talk-show host Rush Limbaugh was positively giddy, opening his monologue on Wednesday by praising Mr. Trump for what he called his "epic trolling" of liberals. "This is great," Mr. Limbaugh declared. "Can we agree that Donald Trump is probably enjoying this more than anybody wants to admit or that anybody knows? So he fires Comey yesterday. Who's he meet with today? He's meeting with the Soviet, the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov! I mean, what an epic troll this is."

Given the enthusiasm of the president's apologists, it is likely that much of Mr. Trump's base will similarly rally to him as it has in the past.

But perhaps most important, we saw once again how conservatism, with its belief in ordered liberty, is being eclipsed by something different: Loathing those who loath the president. Rabid anti-anti-Trumpism.

In a lamentably overlooked monologue this month, Mr. Limbaugh embraced the new reality in which conservative ideas and principles had been displaced by anti-liberalism. For years, Mr. Limbaugh ran what he called the "Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies." But in the Trump era, he told his audience, he has changed that to the "Institute for Advanced Anti-Leftist Studies."

With Mr. Trump in the White House, conservative principles were no longer the point. "How many times during the campaign did I warn everybody Trump is not a conservative? Multiple times a day," Mr. Limbaugh said. "How many times have I told you: 'Do not expect Trump to be a conservative? He isn't one.' "

He went on to emphasize that the campaign was not about conservatism, because that's not what Mr. Trump is about.

That was a remarkable admission, but it is also a key to understanding what is happening on the right. While there are those like Sean Hannity who are reliable cheerleaders for all things President Trump, much of the conservative news media is now less pro-Trump than it is anti-anti-Trump. The distinction is important, because anti-anti-Trumpism has become the new safe space for the right.

Here is how it works: Rather than defend President Trump's specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased "fake news" media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in "What about Obama?" "What about Clinton?"

For the anti-anti-Trump pundit, whatever the allegation against Mr. Trump, whatever his blunders or foibles, the other side is always worse.

But the real heart of anti-anti-Trumpism is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents. Mr. Trump's base is unlikely to hold him either to promises or tangible achievements, because conservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.

Mr. Trump's most vocal supporters don't have to defend his specific actions as long as they make "liberal heads explode," or as Sarah Palin put it so memorably, "It's really funny to me to see the splodey heads keep sploding." If liberals hate something, the argument goes, then it must be wonderful and worthy of aggressive defense. Each controversy reinforces the divisions and the distrust, and Mr. Trump counts on that.

For many in the conservative movement, this sort of anti-anti-Trumpism is the solution to the painful conundrum posed by the Trump presidency. With a vast majority of conservative voters and listeners solidly behind Mr. Trump, conservative critics of the president find themselves isolated and under siege. But, as Damon Linker noted, anti-anti-Trumpism "allows the right to indulge its hatred of liberals and liberalism while sidestepping the need for a reckoning with the disaster of the Trump administration itself."

This is also a much sounder business model than airing doubts about the president. Conservative media is, of course, a business that relies on ratings, and few things generate ratings more quickly than bashing liberals. In this case, it is a far better business model for talk show hosts to play down Mr. Trump's failures while piling on his enemies.

The ad hominem argument is rightly regarded as a logical fallacy because it substitutes personal attacks for a discussion of the argument someone is making. But on many talk shows, including Mr. Limbaugh's, nearly every argument is ad hominem. Instead of offering statistics and building a case, it is easier to simply make fun of a Trump critic like Representative Maxine Waters, or shrug off a negative report because it came from the "lamestream media."

Not surprisingly, the vast majority of airtime on conservative media is not taken up by issues or explanations of conservative approaches to markets or need to balance liberty with order. Why bother with such stuff, when there were personalities to be mocked and left-wing moonbats to be ridiculed?

What may have begun as a policy or a tactic in opposition has long since become a reflex. But there is an obvious price to be paid for essentially becoming a party devoted to trolling. In the long run, it's hard to see how a party dedicated to liberal tears can remain a movement based on ideas or centered on principles.

Conservatives will care less about governing and more about scoring "wins" — and inflicting losses on the left — no matter how hollow the victories or flawed the policies. Ultimately, though, this will end badly because it is a moral and intellectual dead end, and very likely a political one as well.

The right's reaction to firing of Mr. Comey hardly bodes well. Even conservatives who are still smarting from his handling of Hillary Clinton's emails should recognize that the timing of Mr. Comey's abrupt dismissal in the midst of a growing investigation into Russian meddling raises fundamental questions about the rule of the law and the possibility that justice is being obstructed.

As the right doubles down on anti-anti-Trumpism, it will find itself goaded into defending and rationalizing ever more outrageous conduct just as long as it annoys CNN and the left.

In many ways anti-anti-Trumpism mirrors Donald Trump himself, because at its core there are no fixed values, no respect for constitutional government or ideas of personal character, only a free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery and bombast.

Needless to say, this is not a form of conservatism that Edmund Burke, or even Barry Goldwater, would have recognized.

Free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery, and bombast? The internet really is the downfall of society.

[Barrister]

I dunno, the coverage in the conservative news sites I follow (NRO, Redstate) has been very nuanced when it comes to Trump.  There's been essentially zero posts of 100% Trumpism support.  They'll support him on some issues (health care).  They'll criticize certain aspects of his performance ('he was right to fire Comey, but wrong to link it to the Russia investigation' is common).  And yes, they spend time on being anti-anti-Trump - that is criticizing the criticism of Trump as being over-the-top and shrill.

But although the criticism is usually hedged in some way, there is no shortage of criticism of Trump in right-wing news.

[Valmy]

And likewise if you checked out thoughtful leftwing blogs you would probably not get the over-the-top and shrill stuff. Because the people who do that sort of thing are the big ratings driven for-profit people like Limbaugh and Hannity and whomever their equivalents are over at MSNBC.

There were people who called Obama and Bush Hitlerian dictators and they were not worth listening to then and are not worth listening to now. But somehow they dominate the discussions both left and right. I get really disappointed by people willing to just believe anything that supports their point of view no matter how stupid. I think you are cherry picking to ignore the problem BB. The Republicans did nominate Trump and elect him and they did not do so by listening to NRO and Redstate. And it is not just a problem with conservatives so don't take it so personally.

Also NRO and Redstate have very specific conservative points of view that other conservatives disagree with so you can see the strategy of uniting behind hatred of the other guys.

[Valmy]

Though I have to admit knowing the crazy propaganda from the actual facts is getting difficult with Trump. He pretty much writes left-wing propaganda for them. It should have been you Jeb.

[Valmy]

By the way BB did you not post in another thread about how whenever you start to doubt conservatism because of things like Trump you just look over at some of the extreme idiocy some on the left do to strengthen your resolve? Seems like the same mentality taken to absurdity, where you can use idiocy of the other team to shut down all self-reflection.

[CountDeMoney]

I love Trump's weird use of quotation marks in his tweets. It never makes any sense.

It's his verbal pulled punches.  That way, he can say something and then call it back later.

Seedy's become our resident Trumpologist

I've been paying attention the last 30 years, dunceski.  And I rooted for Team "Street Smarts."

[The Minsky Moment]

Free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery, and bombast? The internet really is the downfall of society.

It's even worse than that.  Internet or no internet, people just seem to be highly motivated by contempt for certain categories of their fellow citizens, more than any positive viewpoint or set of ideas.
One of the things about the Trump victory that gave the thoughtful left pause is how it exposed distance between educated liberals and the white working class.  E.g. liberals who bristle at any racist or homophobic comment but see no problem in throwing around the "white trash" label.
In response, the victorious Trumpistas have raised the ante further and proven themselves to be epic sore winners.

Basically the country in turning into a bunch of nasty and vicious high school cliques.