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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on March 01, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
I thought it was a pretty good speech.  The fact that nobody here wants to talk about it seems to confirm that notion.

It was the same crazy, just without the psychotic cutting.

Admiral Yi

I didn't watch it, but it's not the first time he has given a non-insane speech.

derspiess

Quote from: grumbler on March 01, 2017, 10:04:35 AM
For trump, it was an outstanding speech.  For an adult, it would be rated "meh" at best. 

I was gonna say the positive response was probably due to:

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

viper37

Quote from: DGuller on March 01, 2017, 09:44:39 AM
but it should matter zilch to any rational people by now.
is that why derspiess liked it? ;)
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derspiess

Quote from: viper37 on March 01, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 01, 2017, 09:44:39 AM
but it should matter zilch to any rational people by now.
is that why derspiess liked it? ;)

Yep, me and Van Jones.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

jimmy olsen

Quote from: derspiess on March 01, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
I thought it was a pretty good speech.  The fact that nobody here wants to talk about it seems to confirm that notion.

The delivery of the speech was far better than usual, but policy wise he said the same old thing.
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jimmy olsen

Also, horray for Mattis promition to executive vice president? :unsure:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/01/it_s_the_end_of_civilian_control_of_the_military_as_we_know_it_and_i_feel.html

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Control of the Military as We Know It, and I Feel Fine

By Joshua Keating

Donald Trump may have once claimed during the campaign to "know more about ISIS than the generals do." But since his election it's become clear that the president has a bit of a thing for men in uniform.

He's stocked his administration's senior positions with an unusual number of guys who were recently wearing stars, or in the case of National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, still are. (Trump reportedly wanted McMaster's predecessor, Michael Flynn, to wear his uniform in public and had to be told that this wouldn't be proper, as Flynn is retired.) He has proposed a major increase in military spending, paid for by major cuts to other agencies including the State Department, further militarizing the conduct of American foreign policy. He peppers his speeches with promises to rebuild American military might. Now, he also appears to be more or less abdicating his role of commander in chief to let the generals call the shots.

Following a day in which Trump first deflected responsibility for a raid in which a Navy SEAL was killed onto military commanders, then later basked in the applause for the SEAL's wife when he pointed her out during an address to Congress, the Daily Beast reports that that the White House is considering giving Defense Secretary James Mattis a freer hand to launch time-sensitive missions targeting ISIS. This follows reports from shortly after the Yemen raid that said the White House "wants to speed the decision-making when it comes to such strikes, delegating more power to lower-level officials."

The Daily Beast's Kim Dozier writes that Trump "wants to operate more like the CEO he was in the private sector in such matters, and delegate even more power to Mattis, which may mean rewriting one of President Barack Obama's classified Presidential Policy Directives on potentially lethal operations in countries where the U.S. is not officially involved in combat."

Military officers already have authority to greenlight certain military operations, but sensitive missions like the Yemen raid, conducted in a country where the United States is not formally engaged in combat operations, have typically required a sign-off from the White House. Trump has also previously said that he would give Mattis the power to "override" him on the question of whether to use torture on terror suspects. (The president still thinks it's a good idea, but the defense secretary opposes it.)

The president is the commander in chief of the country's armed forces, and civilian control of the military is an important constitutional principle in the United States—or any functional democracy for that matter. The secretary of defense does not, and should not, have the power to "override" the president. It should also give pause that the only civilian signing off on these decisions is Mattis, who retired from the military so recently that he needed Congress to grant a special waiver for him to assume his current position.

Ordinarily, a president this deferential to military commanders and blasé about civilian control of the military would be troubling, but given the civilian in question, it's hard to get too worked up about it. A president willing to overturn longstanding U.S. foreign policy positions with little to no consideration or counsel beforehand, or discuss sensitive national security issues in the middle of a restaurant in full view of fellow diners, perhaps shouldn't be the one signing off on life-or-death military decisions. And if, as the response the Owens' death shows, he's unwilling to take responsibility when things go badly wrong in missions he's ordered, perhaps he shouldn't be involved in ordering them at all. The times when Mattis and the Pentagon have managed to push back against Trump—whether on torture, "black sites," or barring Iraqis who've helped the U.S. military from entering the United States—it's usually been for the better.

In the long run, Trump's attitude has disturbing implications for civil-military relations, and the out-of-control militarization of American foreign policy. But right now, we have more immediate problems.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
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CountDeMoney

Shit fucks you up inside, man.  You just don't know unless you've been there.  #1000YardHare

Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Barrister

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2017, 11:44:30 AM
Shit fucks you up inside, man.  You just don't know unless you've been there.  #1000YardHare

:lmfao:
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LaCroix

an illegal gender fluid individual got nabbed by ICE when she protested at a press conference. people are now upset. I mean, what did they expect?

The Minsky Moment

The essence of Trump is perfectly captured in the comments he made on health care before the speech before Congress:

"It's an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

Put aside a second that that after spending a year-and-a-half campaigning in significant part on a plan to "repeal-and-replace" he is now admitting he had no idea what he was talking about.  And of course is totally unapologetic about it.

Everyone in America who paid even passing attention to the health care debates of the last ten years was aware of its was complicated.  Donald Trump may be the only conscious adult in the country not aware of that fact.  And there are certainly lots of people telling him it was complicated, including some of his fellow candidates, and Barack Obama himself. 

But Trump says "Nobody knew" because HE didn't know.  And because his mental world is built around a solipsism so pure and unadulterated that in his mind, if he doesn't know, no one else knows.  His discovery is the world's discovery.

The combination of ignorance and self-absorption never fails to boggle the mind.
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