What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[celedhring]

he's wrong about evangelists -- they're social conservatives who would never vote democratic

You guys are really clueless about evangelicals.  If none of them would ever vote democratic, no democrat would ever get elected to any office except maybe in the West coast states.  Lots of Democrats are evangelicals;  former President Carter is, and I think  Barack .Obama is (though he doesn't talk about it nearly as much as Jimmy Carter did).  Bill Clinton probably is at least nominally (he's a Baptist, and most Baptists are evangelical).

I think that when people around here say "evangelicals" they don't mean everybody who follows that religion, rather those for which religion is the #1 political issue

[dps]

he's wrong about evangelists -- they're social conservatives who would never vote democratic

You guys are really clueless about evangelicals.  If none of them would ever vote democratic, no democrat would ever get elected to any office except maybe in the West coast states.  Lots of Democrats are evangelicals;  former President Carter is, and I think  Barack .Obama is (though he doesn't talk about it nearly as much as Jimmy Carter did).  Bill Clinton probably is at least nominally (he's a Baptist, and most Baptists are evangelical).

I think that when people around here say "evangelicals" they don't mean everybody who follows that religion, rather those for which religion is the #1 political issue

Well, then they need to come up with another term.

[Razgovory]

he's wrong about evangelists -- they're social conservatives who would never vote democratic

You guys are really clueless about evangelicals.  If none of them would ever vote democratic, no democrat would ever get elected to any office except maybe in the West coast states.  Lots of Democrats are evangelicals;  former President Carter is, and I think  Barack .Obama is (though he doesn't talk about it nearly as much as Jimmy Carter did).  Bill Clinton probably is at least nominally (he's a Baptist, and most Baptists are evangelical).

I think that when people around here say "evangelicals" they don't mean everybody who follows that religion, rather those for which religion is the #1 political issue

Well, that would make a poor definition, as that would exclude many people who are evangelicals and include people who aren't.  Damage Per Second is right.

[LaCroix]

Well, that would make a poor definition, as that would exclude many people who are evangelicals and include people who aren't.  Damage Per Second is right.

I think celedhring didn't intend to broadly include so many different non-evangels when he said "rather those for which religion is the #1 political issue"

[Valmy]

Which cities, specifically, are we talking about and which programs are being...um....frozen or whatever?

Any city that doesn't provide certain kinds of cooperation with federal law enforcement would lose ALL federal funding and grants other than certain limited "law enforcement" support

What does that even mean? So if Columbus is a sanctuary city Ohio State would have all its research grants pulled?

[viper37]

But see, it's OK when a man does it.

Lock him up!

[celedhring]

Well, that would make a poor definition, as that would exclude many people who are evangelicals and include people who aren't.  Damage Per Second is right.

I think celedhring didn't intend to broadly include so many different non-evangels when he said "rather those for which religion is the #1 political issue"

I obviously meant evangelicals for which religion is the #1 driver of their political behavior.

[Tamas]

Donald Trump has ordered his new administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants.

WTF


Also, his press secretary tweeted his own Twitter password. 

[Valmy]

I presume he means illegal immigrants right?

[The Minsky Moment]

What does that even mean? So if Columbus is a sanctuary city Ohio State would have all its research grants pulled?

Correct, depending on how the Trump administration defines sanctuary city and interprets the law. 

[viper37]

The Americans who admire Putin admire his authoritarian tendencies. They wish an American leader to have the same kind of leadership. They don't suddenly want the US to be like Russia. Trump's own rhetoric harps on the idea that America should reclaim the #1 spot it should never have left; that's the whole declension narrative of the Republicans, which required to "take the country back"; that's evangelists thinking the US is God's Chosen Country, the City on the Hill, kidnapped by atheists and secret Muslims. It's all those crazies out there ready to believe - of all fucking things - that Obama was ready to authorize an invasion of the US by the UN.

I knew, somewhere, we'd agree on something related to politics.   

[Tamas]

I presume he means illegal immigrants right?

Even if so, how does that help immigrants and Americans who look like immigrants (ie. Hispanics)?

There will be a weekly LOOK WHAT THE IMMIGRANTS ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY TEH HORROR leaflet from the government.
That's like serious fascist territory.

[viper37]

it's difficult to tell from your post, oex, but if you're saying the americans who cheer on putin are at all the same americans who are evangelicals, then that's just wrong. the people who supported trump fall under all sorts of categories, like valmy said. the evangelicals supported him because fuck if they were going to support a democrat when the time came. the working class in the blue wall states voted trump for similar reasons as brexit.

He's saying there are millions of crazies voting for Trump and they belong to different groups with different motivations, but none of them are truly rational, they all rely on some fantasy vision of the US under assault by its ennemies and on the verge of surrender to some unknown foreign ennemies.

[LaCroix]

What does that even mean? So if Columbus is a sanctuary city Ohio State would have all its research grants pulled?

appears that way from trump's language. who's to say whether he actually means that and didn't use overly broad language. I don't think he put much thought into his (iirc) tweet(?)

[Valmy]

The Americans who admire Putin admire his authoritarian tendencies. They wish an American leader to have the same kind of leadership. They don't suddenly want the US to be like Russia. Trump's own rhetoric harps on the idea that America should reclaim the #1 spot it should never have left; that's the whole declension narrative of the Republicans, which required to "take the country back"; that's evangelists thinking the US is God's Chosen Country, the City on the Hill, kidnapped by atheists and secret Muslims. It's all those crazies out there ready to believe - of all fucking things - that Obama was ready to authorize an invasion of the US by the UN.

I knew, somewhere, we'd agree on something related to politics.   

Negative feelings about the US bring Canadians together