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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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The Brain

Quote from: Jacob on December 13, 2016, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 13, 2016, 04:35:27 PM
Am I suppose to feel bad for people who don't pay attention to the candidates they vote for have been advocating? :unsure:

Well... I suppose you could feel sorry that they've been brought up to lack important critical thinking tools.

They were raised by zombies? :huh:
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: alfred russel on December 13, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 13, 2016, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 13, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Who's his Secretary of Slate?

Well, considering some of his other appointments, garbon might be a good fit for that position.  ;)

Garbon is black, gay, and not reactionary. 3 things that seem to be a poor fit for any Trump cabinet position.

I think Garbon could get on board for the dismantling of Slate. (Way to make me explain the joke  <_<)
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LaCroix

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 13, 2016, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on December 13, 2016, 03:31:47 PM
as secretary of state, something he does or a pattern of behavior that concretely suggests his motivation isn't to further US interests, or something like that

I dunno, something something congress? convince trump his sos is a Bad Man?

So the plan is to wait until he openly and fragrantly harms US national interest, at which point we put our faith in Trump to close the barn door after the fact.

Not my preferred plan.

yes, as is the plan with any nominee accepted into a position. I mean, anyone has the potential to openly and fragrantly harm US national interests, but it doesn't make much sense to bar everyone before they have the chance to do it. some (almost every if not every) won't actually do it

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: LaCroix on December 13, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
yes, as is the plan with any nominee accepted into a position. I mean, anyone has the potential to openly and fragrantly harm US national interests, but it doesn't make much sense to bar everyone before they have the chance to do it. some (almost every if not every) won't actually do it

Not everyone has giant red flags going in. 
A recent personal award from a hostile foreign government is a bad indicator for a SoS.   That just seems very obvious. 
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--Joan Robinson

merithyn

Quote from: Jacob on December 13, 2016, 04:18:24 PM

Going to be a fair bit of that going around...

QuoteThis Trump voter didn't think Trump was serious about repealing her health insurance

CORBIN, Kentucky — Why would people vote for a presidential candidate who campaigned on taking away their health insurance?

Last week, we went to Corbin, Kentucky, to try to answer that question. It's a small city in southeastern Kentucky, an area of the country that has seen huge declines in its uninsured rate — but also voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

You can read more about what we learned there in this story, but we also wanted to give you the transcripts of the conversations we had so the people we talked to could speak for themselves.

Debbie Mills is a 53-year-old furniture store owner in Bell County, an area of the state right on the Tennessee border. Earlier this year, doctors discovered that her husband has non-alcoholic cirrhosis. He now needs a transplant if he's going to survive. Mills and her husband keep a bag packed, waiting for the doctors to call with news that a liver is available.

This all means that Mills really, really needs her health insurance. And she's very grateful for the Affordable Care Act, because she couldn't afford insurance before it was passed.

And yet she voted for Donald Trump. Until we spoke, she said she hadn't taken Trump's repeal threats seriously. As we talked, she started to process what his election might mean for her family's future.

Here's that conversation, edited for clarity and length.

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/13901874/obamacare-trump-voter-health-insurance-repeal

Reading the transcript, you just have to wonder about people. NOW she's starting to worry about something that she heard over and over and over again during the debates. NOW she's freaking out because her husband won't be able to get the million dollar surgery and after-care that he needs.

I am seriously beginning to wonder what mind-control juice Trump was handing out during the election. It's like these people didn't hear anything he said at all.
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I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Habbaku

The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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The Minsky Moment

The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: merithyn on December 13, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 13, 2016, 04:18:24 PM

Going to be a fair bit of that going around...

QuoteThis Trump voter didn't think Trump was serious about repealing her health insurance

CORBIN, Kentucky — Why would people vote for a presidential candidate who campaigned on taking away their health insurance?

Last week, we went to Corbin, Kentucky, to try to answer that question. It's a small city in southeastern Kentucky, an area of the country that has seen huge declines in its uninsured rate — but also voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

You can read more about what we learned there in this story, but we also wanted to give you the transcripts of the conversations we had so the people we talked to could speak for themselves.

Debbie Mills is a 53-year-old furniture store owner in Bell County, an area of the state right on the Tennessee border. Earlier this year, doctors discovered that her husband has non-alcoholic cirrhosis. He now needs a transplant if he's going to survive. Mills and her husband keep a bag packed, waiting for the doctors to call with news that a liver is available.

This all means that Mills really, really needs her health insurance. And she's very grateful for the Affordable Care Act, because she couldn't afford insurance before it was passed.

And yet she voted for Donald Trump. Until we spoke, she said she hadn't taken Trump's repeal threats seriously. As we talked, she started to process what his election might mean for her family's future.

Here's that conversation, edited for clarity and length.

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/13901874/obamacare-trump-voter-health-insurance-repeal

Reading the transcript, you just have to wonder about people. NOW she's starting to worry about something that she heard over and over and over again during the debates. NOW she's freaking out because her husband won't be able to get the million dollar surgery and after-care that he needs.

I am seriously beginning to wonder what mind-control juice Trump was handing out during the election. It's like these people didn't hear anything he said at all.

I bet she voted for the Kentucky governor who campaign on the platform of shutting down Kynect, too.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: merithyn on December 13, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
I am seriously beginning to wonder what mind-control juice Trump was handing out during the election. It's like these people didn't hear anything he said at all.

"I'm a businessman" must be some kind of hypnotic trigger.
I don't pick my doctor on his ability to negotiate commercial leases, not sure why I should be picking a C-in-C on that basis.
Actually now I am sure - one should NOT pick one on that basis.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

frunk

Quote from: merithyn on December 13, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
Reading the transcript, you just have to wonder about people. NOW she's starting to worry about something that she heard over and over and over again during the debates. NOW she's freaking out because her husband won't be able to get the million dollar surgery and after-care that he needs.

I am seriously beginning to wonder what mind-control juice Trump was handing out during the election. It's like these people didn't hear anything he said at all.

I could barely stand listening to Trump so I can understand not paying attention to what he said, but it certainly didn't make me want to vote for him.

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dps

After all these years, we might finally be getting to find out what a Huey Long presidency might have been like.  The ideological positions aren't really much alike, but the demagoguery is somewhat similar.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: dps on December 13, 2016, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 13, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 13, 2016, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 13, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Who's his Secretary of Slate?

Well, considering some of his other appointments, garbon might be a good fit for that position.  ;)

Garbon is black, gay, and not reactionary. 3 things that seem to be a poor fit for any Trump cabinet position.

Oooh, I might be qualified.   

I bet I'm reactionarier than you :contract:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Ed Anger

You two are posers. I'd send people to death camps.
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