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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 23, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
  Ah well, as long as he keeps ripping the mainstream media a new one I'll be happy.

You are such a Fox News drone.

If your own echo chamber has its own news multimedia empire, isn't that mainstream media, too?

KRonn

Quote from: derspiess on November 23, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 23, 2016, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on November 23, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
New Hitler is off to a bad start.

Mercurial demagogue is: mercurial.

Everything could change in January.  And then back again in March.  Ah well, as long as he keeps ripping the mainstream media a new one I'll be happy.

"Mainstream" media's ways have caused cratering approval and little respect among viewers, according to pols. I think they're even close to Congressional approval ratings.   :( That's sad but they've brought it on themselves for quite a while now. 

CountDeMoney

Quote from: KRonn on November 23, 2016, 07:33:38 PM
"Mainstream" media's ways have caused cratering approval and little respect among viewers, according to pols. I think they're even close to Congressional approval ratings.   :( That's sad but they've brought it on themselves for quite a while now.

"Mainstream" media has been cratering approval since Watergate.  Not a valid excuse.

Valmy

The problem is the non-mainstream media is even shittier. Clickbait shit as far as the eye can see.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Anyway I am sure there are plenty of groups who can keep an eye on our global doom besides NASA. In the meantime I will keep working to make Texas Natural Gas and Wind dependent....well ok more Natural Gas and Wind dependent.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

11B4V

So what's the recap;

Mathis: DoD
Voso or whatever the CC lovers name is: Eduation
Haley the climate denier no FP exp: UN
Mittens: SOS maybe
Pubes: CoS
Flynn I was fired: NSA
Carson the Mushroom: HUD
JB Sessions I hate dairies: AG
Rasputin Bannon:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on November 23, 2016, 08:07:05 PM
Carson the Mushroom: HUD

Yeah, by all means, stick the black in the Public Housing thingy.  And Samuel L Jackson gets the purple light sabre, of course.

CountDeMoney


11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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Syt

Quotecrackdown on "politicized science"

This quote in the NASA article surprised me a bit. Maybe it's me, but the term "polticized" has so far been one I associated with Russian government statements, warning that certain international issues shouldn't be "politicized", i.e. saying that if something doesn't go their way, it must have political reasons.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Syt on November 24, 2016, 03:09:48 AM
Quotecrackdown on "politicized science"

This quote in the NASA article surprised me a bit. Maybe it's me, but the term "polticized" has so far been one I associated with Russian government statements, warning that certain international issues shouldn't be "politicized", i.e. saying that if something doesn't go their way, it must have political reasons.

GOP has been using it in connection with science for quite some time.
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Syt

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trumps-kleptocracy-already-feels-like-old-news.html?mid=facebook_nymag

QuoteTrump's Kleptocracy Is So Astounding It Already Feels Like Old News

One of the many surreal moments of the presidential campaign took place at a Republican debate in January, when a moderator asked Donald Trump if he would follow standard practice and place his assets in a blind trust after assuming office. Trump first dodged the question, simply insisting he cares more about the country than about his company. When pressed about the blind trust, he replied, bizarrely, "I would put it in a blind trust. Well, I don't know if it's a blind trust if Ivanka, Don, and Eric run it. But — is that a blind trust? I don't know. But I would probably have my children run it with my executives. And I wouldn't ever be involved, because I wouldn't care about anything but our country."

It was difficult to understand what meaning, if any, could be drawn from this zigzag of verbiage. Was Trump merely pretending not to understand what the term blind trust means? (It means a third party places your wealth into investments of which you have neither awareness nor control, so that self-interest cannot influence your decisions in office.) Did he truly not understand? Was he actually saying he would continue as president to run his business, which was enmeshed in politics throughout the United States and in 18 other countries and which had infinite potential as a conduit for corruption?

The question receded into the background
, in part because an endless series of other controversies obscured it, in part because Americans couldn't fathom what Trump had apparently promised: the presidency as an adjunct of his real-estate and branding business. The developing world is filled with ruling families that use the state to amass huge and usually secretive fortunes. Such an arrangement has been heretofore unimaginable in the United States. And yet the surreal has quickly become real.

Days after Trump won the election, a number of diplomats told the Washington Post they would make a point of patronizing his Washington hotel when they visit the city. "Why wouldn't I stay at his hotel blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new president, 'I love your new hotel!' " said one. "Isn't it rude to come to his city and say, 'I am staying at your competitor'?" As a candidate, Trump speciously argued that having his children run the business, and he the government, would somehow foreclose the possibility of corruption. (As if stepping away from managing his business would make Trump forget his holdings, or that favor-seekers would not attempt to give his children favors.) But even that threadbare pretense has given way. His children have taken roles on the transition team. Ivanka attended official discussions with heads of state of Japan and Argentina. The president-elect met with Indian business partners to discuss business and lobbied a British politician to oppose offshore wind farms because one will block the view at one of his Scottish golf courses.

Trump's brazen use of his office for personal enrichment signals something even more worrisome than four or more years of kleptocratic government. It reveals how willing the new administration is to obliterate governing norms and how little stands in his way. An expectation that elected presidents must forswear any financial holdings that could conceivably affect their judgment has been an unquestioned point of bipartisan consensus for decades. Jimmy Carter even directed his trust to rent the peanut farm he built, lest any pro-peanut bias taint his decisions in office, and he endured a special prosecutor's lengthy investigation to ensure his complete divestment.

But a norm is not a rule, a point Trump has leaned on. "The law is totally on my side, meaning, the president can't have a conflict of interest," he told the New York Times. Disturbingly, this is legally accurate. The strict federal rules about financial conflicts of interest do not apply to the president, whose incentive to avoid self-enrichment is simply assumed. There is no legal mechanism that requires transparency or accountability. In essence, Trump is proposing that we, not he, enter a blind trust: He promises that he will never misuse his power, and we ... hope he's right.

The abuses that have leaked out so far (some through the foreign media, since American reporters were not informed of Trump's conversations) provide a glimpse into what could easily be a bottomless pit of corruption. Since Trump has refused to disclose his tax returns, or those of his family members, it is possible that business owners or dictators are granting his family excessively generous licensing agreements, or even giving them stock options or cash in return for government favors. Given Trump's business ethics, which run from refusing to pay contractors and daring them to sue to establishing a fake university to swindle his fans to using his "foundation" to illegally donate to a politician who subsequently did not investigate said university, it would be surprising if he did not eventually accept outright bribery. Once introduced into a political ecosystem, corruption in government tends to spread rapidly. It can infect foreign-policy-making, where overseas partners will seek favors from Trump's administration, and domestically, where Trump and his allies could form a self-enriching circle that wields state power to exclude both economic competitors and political ones. Astonishingly, the president-­elect has treated the sanctity of government as a nonissue. In a recent tweet, he pronounced the question of his own enrichment through power to have been settled by the voters (or at least the Electoral College). "Prior to the election it was well known that I have interests in properties all over the world," he wrote. "Only the crooked media makes this a big deal!" He is not even claiming innocence — he is placing the question itself off-limits.

The controversy over Trump's tax returns earlier this year set the template for how this drama will likely unspool. At the beginning of the campaign, Trump offered incoherent or contradictory responses to questions about disclosing them, and most journalists assumed he simply had to release them before the election. Many conservatives urged him to do so — it would "enhance his credibility," suggested a Wall Street Journal editorial. But Trump simply refused, fatalism set in, and the media and the opposition effectively let the matter drop.

So far, the response on the right to Trump's financial conflicts has been muted. A Journal editorial urging Trump to sell off his business interests framed its case as sympathetic advice to protect an honest man from unfair suspicion. Trump faced "political danger" and "political damage," and "the presidential stakes are too high for Mr. Trump to let his family business become a daily political target." Not a single sentence entertained the possibility that Trump might actually leverage his office for personal gain. If this is the kind of blowback Trump will receive from conservatives, he is probably correct in calculating that he can ride it out.

The question going forward is what other norms Trump can destroy. The potential avenues of abuse for a party in full control of government are vast. It can direct the Department of Justice to hound its political enemies, crack down on voting rights, and use discretionary regulation to punish politically hostile firms and reward compliant ones. Trump already threatened several months ago to use regulatory and tax policy to punish Amazon owner Jeff Bezos, who owns a newspaper (the Washington Post) whose reporting displeased Trump. All these levers of power are legal. Now think ahead to the next presidential election. You know the assumption that the candidate who gets the most votes in a state receives its electoral votes? Also just a norm. Some state legislatures can award their electoral votes any way they like, and most of those legislatures are controlled by the Republican Party.

All these horror scenarios are hypotheticals, but they are only marginally more unthinkable than today's status quo was a year ago. (And the hijacking of electoral votes even has some precedent: In 2000, when a statewide recount began, Florida's Republican-­controlled legislature openly contemplated awarding all its electoral votes to Bush regardless of who won the recount, until the Supreme Court made this unnecessary.) Trump's behavior, if successful, would supply proof of concept that he can destroy norms unimpeded. He has already dismantled the twin guardrails against presidential kleptocracy, tax disclosure and personal divestment, in quick succession. It is a chillingly impressive achievement for a man still two months away from assuming the powers of office.
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Syt

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/donald-trump-cambridge-analytica-steve-bannon

QuoteData firm in talks for role in White House messaging – and Trump business

Trump strategist Steve Bannon apparently involved in talks despite being on board of Cambridge Analytica, which helped president-elect to victory

A data mining company that helped Donald Trump win the presidency is in early talks to snare two potentially lucrative new contracts, one to boost the incoming Trump White House's policy messaging and the other to help the Trump Organization expand its sales, the Guardian has learned.

Cambridge Analytica, a data company that uses personality profiling and boasts billionaire Trump backer Robert Mercer as a key investor, is in discussions about potential deals with the Trump Organization and Steve Bannon, the CEO of the campaign and now Trump's senior counselor and chief strategist, according to a conservative digital strategist familiar with Cambridge. Despite his apparent role in the talks as a representative of Trump's incoming White House team, Bannon is also on the board of Cambridge Analytica, the source said, an assertion also reported elsewhere. Mercer's daughter Rebekah, who ran a pro-Trump Super Pac that plowed $2m into digital ads and other efforts backing Trump, and Alexander Nix, chief executive of Cambridge, are playing lead roles in the talks with the Trump Organization and with Bannon, the digital source said.

Historically, the Republican National Committee has picked up the tab for White House communication and messaging consultants, which means that Bannon – who has said he will step down from his job as executive chairman of the far-right Breitbart News when he starts his White House job – would have to get the RNC to approve such a deal.

Alternatively, there has been discussion about possibly creating an outside advocacy group that would focus on messaging and communications to support White House goals, which Cambridge might work for, according to the source.

The talks with the Trump Organization and Bannon underscore the rising influence of the reclusive Mercers as mega-donors on the right, and their tight ties to Trump's inner circle. Rebekah Mercer, who oversees much of the family's political philanthropy, is on the 16-person Trump transition executive committee.

If the deals in discussion come to fruition, some outside watchdogs say they could create new controversies over conflicts of interest for Trump.

"The web of potential conflicts between President Trump and the Trump Organization will only be made stronger and more difficult to untangle" if Cambridge winds up working for the president's business interests and crafting messages to push the White House's agenda, said Larry Noble, the general counsel for the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center.

For both the Trump Organization, which has already been criticized for a visit to the president-elect by business partners from India, and for generating support for Trump's policy goals, Cambridge Analytica could prove useful. The London-based company claims it has key marketing and psychological data on some 230 million Americans, information that might help increase the size and value of a real estate empire, or build backing for Trump's policy agenda.

Cambridge's data could be helpful in both "driving sales and driving policy goals", said the digital source, adding: "Cambridge is positioned to be the preferred vendor for all of that."

Cambridge and the Trump Organization both declined requests for comment. A spokesman for the Trump transition said Cambridge would not be working for the White House, but did not address whether it might work for the RNC or an outside group to help the new president.

The potential windfall for the company comes after the Mercers and Cambridge played key roles in Trump's victory. Cambridge Analytica was tapped as a leading campaign data vendor as the Mercers, who originally backed Senator Ted Cruz in the presidential race, flexed their muscle after endorsing Trump. The Mercers reportedly pushed for the addition of a few top campaign aides, including Bannon and Kellyanne Conway, who became campaign manager. In September alone Cambridge was paid $5m by the Trump campaign for its services.

Robert Mercer, his wife and his daughter have donated more than $40.1m to political committees and Super Pacs since the start of 2012 presidential election cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. This year, the Mercers gave $13.5m to a pro-Cruz Super Pac run by Conway and then $2m to Make America Number 1, the pro-Trump Super Pac led by Rebekah Mercer.

Bannon and the Mercers have deep ties: Robert Mercer has reportedly donated $10m to Breitbart News. And this year, Bannon was in London at least once and met with Cambridge Analytica top brass, according to the digital source who noted that Bannon was on the company's board. (Before Cambridge secured office space in Virginia it worked out of a Bannon office on Capitol Hill, the source said.)

Make America Number 1 paid Glittering Steel, a film company that Bannon heads which made an anti-Clinton film, $187,000 in October and November while Bannon served as Trump's campaign CEO, unpaid.

"These payments appear to be clear evidence that the Super Pac was subsidizing Bannon's work at the campaign," the Campaign Legal Center's Noble said. Super Pacs are not allowed to coordinate their spending with campaigns.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.