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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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derspiess

Quote from: Zoupa on March 06, 2017, 01:28:17 AM
since most of us grow out of this puerile stuff somewhere in the early teens.

Oh, like using a Socialist symbol as your avatar?
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celedhring

It's the logo of the French socialist party. Pretty mainstream thing.

Ed Anger

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Jacob

Holy fuck, this is pretty Orwellian if true. Khizr Khan - the American citizen whose Army Captain son died while serving - is prevented from going overseas to give talk while his  "travel privileges are being reviewed."

Quote from: Rosa Hwang, Senior Producer at CTV
JUST IN: Gold Star father Khizr Khan cancels scheduled speech in Toronto after being told his "travel privileges are being reviewed."

https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/838815925235232769

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Jacob on March 06, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Holy fuck, this is pretty Orwellian if true. Khizr Khan - the American citizen whose Army Captain son died while serving - is prevented from going overseas to give talk while his  "travel privileges are being reviewed."

Quote from: Rosa Hwang, Senior Producer at CTV
JUST IN: Gold Star father Khizr Khan cancels scheduled speech in Toronto after being told his "travel privileges are being reviewed."

https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/838815925235232769

That link looks pretty fishy to me.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2017, 02:26:12 PM
It wouldn't look so bad under scrutiny if he tossed in some other countries in for flavor and variety, like Borneo or Macedonia, just so it didn't look so obvious.

You'd jump all over that, just the same.  WE'RE NOT FOOLED MISTER TRUMP

Nonsense. Fuck those Borneo refugees.

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The American dream at that time was white people owning black people, so he's kind of right
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Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on March 06, 2017, 01:28:17 AM
since most of us grow out of this puerile stuff somewhere in the early teens.

Oh, like using a Socialist symbol as your avatar?

You think Social Democrats are roughly equivalent to Nationalist Populists? Or are you just trolling again?

jimmy olsen

Welp, that's our President. :rolleyes:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14827604/trump-tower-baku

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A Trump hotel project seems to have involved a front for Iran's Revolutionary Guard

It wouldn't be the first time Trump got into money-laundering trouble.

Updated by Matthew Yglesias@[email protected]   Mar 6, 2017, 12:00pm EST   

A lengthy new investigative story published by Adam Davidson in the New Yorker reveals that Donald Trump's business dealings in Azerbaijan likely violated the Foreign and Corrupt Practices Act, and may have served as a conduit for money-laundering and other underhanded activities undertaken by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

It's a very long New Yorker-y story that deserves your time and attention. But one of the main things it shows isn't anything specific to Azerbaijan or Iran. It's simply that we know very little overall about who Trump is in business with currently — and even less about who he has been in business with in the recent past.

The kind of exacting scrutiny that his finances would necessarily undergo in the event of a thorough investigation of Trump's possible links to the Russian government would bring an enormous amount to light about a huge range of deals. That, in turn, might uncover illegal or scandalous activity that, like this story about Trump in Azerbaijan, has no apparent relationship at all with Vladimir Putin or Russian intelligence.

The key points:
•The Trump Organization partnered with an Azerbaijani businessman to build Trump Tower Baku, a hotel project in the country's capital that, for a variety of reasons related to location and macroeconomic conditions, seemed like a very dubious economic prospect.
•The Trump Organization did not actually develop the project, but rather was paid to license the brand and for consulting services related to the hotel and the Trump brand — Trump people seem to have been fairly intimately involved as service providers.
•"The Azerbaijanis behind the project were close relatives of Ziya Mammadov, the Transportation Minister and one of the country's wealthiest and most powerful oligarchs."
•US diplomats have described Mammadov as "notoriously corrupt, even for Azerbaijan."
•The Mammadovs were also deeply in business with an Iranian-owned firm called Azarpassillo, and Davidson quotes an expert on Iran who says "It looks like Azarpassillo is a front organization for the Revolutionary Guard."

The story raises two related legal issues.

One is whether Trump's business ties to an extraordinarily corrupt Azerbaijani family involved violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a law that Trump has been sharply critical of in public but which remains on the books and which Attorney General Jeff Sessions swore during his confirmation hearings he was committed to upholding.

The other is whether the Mammadov-Azarpassillo nexus violates US sanctions against Iran. The legal rules barring US firms from receiving funds that originated with a sanctioned Iranian entity, which certainly includes the Revolutionary Guard, are quite strict. You can't simply say you didn't know that the developer who was paying you for your licensing services was actually getting his money from a Revolutionary Guard front group. You need to do strict due diligence.

Davidson's case is strictly circumstantial since he can't subpoena the kind of internal corporate records that would demonstrate clearly what the Trump Organization knew — or didn't want to know — about the Mammadovs or their Iranian friends. But Trump's Atlantic City casinos paid $10 million in fines two years ago for noncompliance with federal rules about money laundering. The Trump SoHo project also seems to have been a front for money laundering, though Trump himself evades legal liability for that one on the grounds that he didn't actually own the project.

To know whether there is really a prosecutable offense here (as there was with the Atlantic City money laundering) or just some ties to shady friends (as seems to be the case with Trump SoHo), you would need to take a close look at the financial details of the Trump Organization and other such matters. And the fact that there may be crimes associated with this deal — or with other deals that we don't happen to have in-depth journalism on — is one reason that an independent inquiry into the Russia situation is dangerous for Trump.

An independent prosecutor looking into Russia matters would want to see those documents. And once you pry into the documents, there's no telling what you'll find. Trump has been paying a political price for nondisclosure of his finances since long before the Russia story started dominating the headlines. The reason for that could have something to do with Moscow. But it might be something else entirely.
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Zoupa

Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2017, 04:11:08 PM


Big tough guy on the internet. Oh wow. So edgy. Go wear those colors walking around France and see what happens  :)

Can you even walk these days anyways? What with choking on liver fluids and all that?

Habbaku

Ed has always trolled like that, and always in good humor.  He is not Lacroix.  You're barking up the wrong tree, Zoups.
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Zoupa

Quote from: Jacob on March 06, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on March 06, 2017, 01:28:17 AM
since most of us grow out of this puerile stuff somewhere in the early teens.

Oh, like using a Socialist symbol as your avatar?

You think Social Democrats are roughly equivalent to Nationalist Populists? Or are you just trolling again?

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