What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Valmy]

I don't think I've ever heard or read anyone say America *has* to be different.  Rather I've heard plenty of people question why we have to be the same.

American Exceptionalism. It exists.

A start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

That is mostly our 19th century nationalism stuff. Like the Frenchmen who once thought the dirt made them French so farmers were the most French since they got the sacred Frenchy dirt on their hands.

I only hear about it now from right wing demagogues trying to give people warm fuzzies.

[Oexmelin]

I only hear about it now from right wing demagogues trying to give people warm fuzzies.

And guess what? There are millions of them. They got Trump into the White House.

[LaCroix]

not through american exceptionalism. 

[Valmy]

I only hear about it now from right wing demagogues trying to give people warm fuzzies.

And guess what? There are millions of them. They got Trump into the White House.

The Trump types are not the same kind of folks, for the most part.

Besides hard to admire Putin while thinking America is exceptional.

[CountDeMoney]

But see, it's OK when a man does it.

[11B4V]

But see, it's OK when a man does it.

Already posted scooter.

[LaCroix]

oex is off his rocker tonight, but I don't blame him, it's the danger of agreeing with dguller

[Valmy]

Trump uses Android? Well that is one mark in his favor

[Oexmelin]

The Americans who admire Putin admire his authoritarian tendencies. They wish an American leader to have the same kind of leadership. They don't suddenly want the US to be like Russia. Trump's own rhetoric harps on the idea that America should reclaim the #1 spot it should never have left; that's the whole declension narrative of the Republicans, which required to "take the country back"; that's evangelists thinking the US is God's Chosen Country, the City on the Hill, kidnapped by atheists and secret Muslims. It's all those crazies out there ready to believe - of all fucking things - that Obama was ready to authorize an invasion of the US by the UN.

[alfred russel]

I'll back up Oex that american exceptionalism is still a thing.

[Valmy]

I'll back up Oex that american exceptionalism is still a thing.

Really? I am having a hard time remembering it being brought up since the Dubya years. From anybody really.

[LaCroix]

it's difficult to tell from your post, oex, but if you're saying the americans who cheer on putin are at all the same americans who are evangelicals, then that's just wrong. the people who supported trump fall under all sorts of categories, like valmy said. the evangelicals supported him because fuck if they were going to support a democrat when the time came. the working class in the blue wall states voted trump for similar reasons as brexit.

you're basically taking a small, narrow group and applying it across the board. very few people fell in love with trump for his rhetoric, lol are you kidding me

[Valmy]

The Americans who admire Putin admire his authoritarian tendencies. They wish an American leader to have the same kind of leadership. They don't suddenly want the US to be like Russia. Trump's own rhetoric harps on the idea that America should reclaim the #1 spot it should never have left; that's the whole declension narrative of the Republicans, which required to "take the country back"; that's evangelists thinking the US is God's Chosen Country, the City on the Hill, kidnapped by atheists and secret Muslims. It's all those crazies out there ready to believe - of all fucking things - that Obama was ready to authorize an invasion of the US by the UN.

Well I guess when you put it that way. I guess I remember it being much more positive and aspirational back in the day.

[Valmy]

it's difficult to tell from your post, oex, but if you're saying the americans who cheer on putin are at all the same americans who are evangelicals, then that's just wrong. the people who supported trump fall under all sorts of categories, like valmy said. the evangelicals supported him because fuck if they were going to support a democrat when the time came. the working class in the blue wall states voted trump for similar reasons as brexit.

you're basically taking a small, narrow group and applying it across the board. very few people fell in love with trump for his rheroric, lol are you kidding me

I think he was talking about different sorts of Americans and how this thing manifests in their behavior.

[LaCroix]

he's wrong about evangelists -- they're social conservatives who would never vote democratic. his post makes it seem like there's only two groups among the trump supporters -- nationalists and evangelists. that's a joke. the nationalists can be summed up as 4chan + maybe half a million if that