What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[crazy canuck]

Lots of talk about security and safety by the regime, what did American luminaries have to say about that back in the day :

"The most famous quote on security and freedom is by Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". Other notable quotes include Abraham Lincoln saying, "Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security ultimately will lose both," and Thomas Jefferson stating, "When you abandon freedom to achieve security, you lose both and deserve neither.""

Courtesy of Google AI.

It seems odd that so many Americans have forgotten these wise words.

It has been about 25 years since the Americans started down the road making that trade off.

[Razgovory]

Lots of talk about security and safety by the regime, what did American luminaries have to say about that back in the day :

"The most famous quote on security and freedom is by Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". 

A short while back I looked that up to find the context.  It's about taxes.  Not the freedom from taxes but to impose them.  The liberty that was being given up was the right of Pennsylvania legislature to tax certain estates.
A good run down:
https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century

[HisMajestyBOB]

Sure for the border, but not for the "interior"

DHS has slowly been increasing the definition of "the border" since its founding.

It turns out the real border was inside us all along. Therefore they have jurisdiction over all of us.

[Admiral Yi]

Lots of talk about security and safety by the regime, what did American luminaries have to say about that back in the day :

"The most famous quote on security and freedom is by Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". Other notable quotes include Abraham Lincoln saying, "Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security ultimately will lose both," and Thomas Jefferson stating, "When you abandon freedom to achieve security, you lose both and deserve neither.""

Courtesy of Google AI.

It seems odd that so many Americans have forgotten these wise words.

Conscription is a surrender of liberty for security.  So is gun control. Vaccination.

[Zoupa]

Property rights. Human rights.

[The Minsky Moment]

This crazy ICE stuff has nothing to do with security.  It has undermined domestic security.  US citizens are being frightened, intimidated, assaulted, killed, and detained without charge.  There is no security rationale.  To the contrary, ICE has redirected resources from hunting the most dangerous alien criminals to the easiest to find and deport (e.g. landscapers, construction workers, uber drivers, door dashers, etc.) Flying ICE drones "in the interior" is more of the same BS

This has nothing to do with a tradeoff between security and liberty.  It is a naked power grab by a lawless executive power seeking to intimidate and suppress the political opposition.

[Jacob]

Exactly.

The play is for Trump to combine enough fraud and intimidation to win the upcoming midterms sufficiently to strengthen his grip. The question is whether he's going to be successful.

[Tonitrus]

Military drones are going to be deployed within the US?

No no. Just DHS and ICE drones.

With similar functionality, most likely. But you know...

Yes Border patrol have had Reaper drones for some tine.

Started under Obama. 

(yes, things are quite a bit different now)

[viper37]

UPenn faculty condemn Trump administration's demand for 'lists of Jews'

For protection purpose only.  Of course.

[Zanza]

Apparently no more US visas for 75 countries... I guess the world cup fans are fucked.

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Bosnia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Nepal, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Republic of the Congo, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan and Yemen

[celedhring]

Apparently no more US visas for 75 countries... I guess the world cup fans are fucked.

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Bosnia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Nepal, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Republic of the Congo, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan and Yemen

Uruguay? Wasn't expecting that.

And he surely hates Lula.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Immigrant visas, but still a bizarre list.

U.S. to stop issuing immigrant visas for 75 countries

The suspension specifically applies to U.S. immigrant visas for foreigners seeking to live in the United States but not to short-term visa applicants like tourists or students.

By Abigail Williams

The Trump administration is suspending immigrant visa processing for 75 countries, the State Department said Wednesday.

The State Department claimed that immigrants from the countries on the list — including Afghanistan, Brazil, Egypt and Somalia — "take welfare from the American people at unacceptable rates."

The move marks an escalation of President Donald Trump's administration's crackdown on immigration, which has included deportations and freezes on visa applications.

The visa processing for these countries will be paused "while the State Department reassesses immigration processing procedures to prevent the entry of foreign nationals who would take welfare and public benefits," State Department Principal Deputy Spokesperson Tommy Pigott said in a statement.

"The Trump administration is bringing an end to the abuse of America's immigration system by those who would extract wealth from the American people," Piggot said. "The State Department will use its long-standing authority to deem ineligible potential immigrants who would become a public charge on the United States and exploit the generosity of the American people."

Most visa holders face limits in what kind of public benefits they can receive. For example, most green card holders are subject to a five-year waiting period for food stamps, non-emergency Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP.)

The suspension specifically applies to U.S. immigrant visas for foreigners seeking to live in the United States but not to short-term visas for those visiting as temporary workers, students or tourists, including World Cup-related visas.

The pause will take effect Jan. 21 and "remain active until the U.S. can ensure that new immigrants will not extract wealth from the American people," the State Department said on X.

The plan was first reported by Fox News, citing an internal State Department memo.

A U.S. official confirmed the full list of countries will include Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Bosnia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Nepal, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Republic of the Congo, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan and Yemen.

The Trump administration had already moved to limit immigration from many of the countries included in Wednesday's announcement.

In December, the administration halted immigration applications from nationals of 19 countries. On Tuesday, the administration said it was revoking temporary protected status for Somalis in the U.S.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Ah. I was going to say that not providing visas to the other teams would be a novel way of ensuring a US World Cup victory.

[Norgy]

I would be very surprised if FIFA wanted ordinary fans at the matches. The ticket prices are still ridiculous.

[Syt]

Apparently no more US visas for 75 countries... I guess the world cup fans are fucked.

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Bosnia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Nepal, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Republic of the Congo, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan and Yemen

I think they said the suspension does NOT apply to non-immigrant visas, like tourism, business trips, etc.