What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Valmy]

This is the point I was getting at: that the two nations are, in fact, culturally different in some fundamental ways.

I don't know man. Your treatment of the natives and...those...other people in your country you love so much hardly does you much credit. I mean until more recent times of course.

[DGuller]

IMO, it's a race thing.  White people have been running the country since its founding, and it was up to them to decide how much others would be tolerated.  Now it's more and more conceivable that others may have a real say in how the country is run, and that's perceived as a threat.  Seeing a reminder for eight years that white people no longer have a monopoly on power in the US certainly didn't help.

This seems to matter more in the US than in Canada though. Canada has a very high level of immigration as well, without as yet the same sort of backlash.

Not yet.  It can turn on a dime.

[Valmy]

Not yet.  It can turn on a dime.

They seem to be putting them mostly into large urban areas which is handy for preventing much of a backlash.

[Barrister]

Not yet.  It can turn on a dime.

They seem to be putting them mostly into large urban areas which is handy for preventing much of a backlash.

  One of our tips about preventing a backlash is that we don't put people anywhere - they can move where they like.

[Valmy]

Not yet.  It can turn on a dime.

They seem to be putting them mostly into large urban areas which is handy for preventing much of a backlash.

  One of our tips about preventing a backlash is that we don't put people anywhere - they can move where they like.

I didn't mean literally. I just meant that seems to be where they were living

I wasn't suggesting Canada was imitating the noble ways of Andrew Jackson.

[OttoVonBismarck]

I think any rational person would say Canada has a different culture than the United States, and Canada's "national culture" is not generating the sort of "panic" that I think we're seeing about a "culture under siege" in the United States. I wouldn't go another step and say Canada has some mystical inoculation against dangerous anti-immigrant sentiments and an abandonment of democratic ideals--no. We've seen this happen in too many countries we assumed weren't "like this", and seeing it happen in my own country just reinforces my belief that it can essentially happen anywhere.

The cultural climate can always change, and with it the political climate.

[The Brain]

I don't think a charismatic leader can appear in Canada.

[Razgovory]

The US fear of "losing relative power" is because the US has a long history of having disadvantaged groups (and treating them badly), and a lot of the immigrants that are coming aren't integrating that well into "white" society and culture.

This is the point I was getting at: that the two nations are, in fact, culturally different in some fundamental ways.

One of those nations doesn't seem to have much use for immigration.

[DGuller]

The older I get, the less I believe in the wisdom of multiculturalism.  My greatest fear is that any country can turn like an Ottoman empire, where centuries of tolerance of diversity were no insurance against ethnic cleansing.

[crazy canuck]

Is there risk, sure.  But greater rewards.  I would hate to live in an all white uni-lingual, uni-cultural society.

[Valmy]

The older I get, the less I believe in the wisdom of multiculturalism.  My greatest fear is that any country can turn like an Ottoman empire, where centuries of tolerance of diversity were no insurance against ethnic cleansing.

Not everywhere is like Eastern Europe or the Middle East.

I am not a big fan of distinct communities like they had in the Ottoman Empire though to be sure. Mixing everybody together is fine though...though if you do that after a few generations you no longer really have a multicultural society unless you keep adding more people.

[viper37]

Not yet.  It can turn on a dime.

They seem to be putting them mostly into large urban areas which is handy for preventing much of a backlash.

  One of our tips about preventing a backlash is that we don't put people anywhere - they can move where they like.

well, immigrants&refugees need resources, resources that aren't readily available in non urban centres.  Not enough numbers to justify the costs, apparently...  

The Quebec govt asked for Syrian refugees to be settled in non urban areas.  Many communities rallied themselves to find food, accomodations, French teachers, etc... Then Justin the Wise decreed the refugees would go only in urban centres.  For Quebec, that means the greater Montreal area.  Then people in the countryside or even in Quebec city get criticized for being "too white".  Go figure. 

[viper37]

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Too little, too late?

[Eddie Teach]

An op-ed would have been too little at any point, so its timeliness is irrelevant.

[Valmy]

I think there were Never Trumpers saying this since 2015. I mean it never hurts to say it again I guess.

I really worry that the Democracts are making the mistake of the UK Labour party and choosing this vital moment to rush left and let our country be gravely injured. There are these kind of voters out there who would love to help us boot Trump out but might hesitate with all 10,000 unicorns for every fairy princess stuff.