What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[garbon]

2nd Trump staffer out because of domestic violence claims. Kelly apparently on the ropes and facing possible replacement.

[mongers]

2nd Trump staffer out because of domestic violence claims. Kelly apparently on the ropes and facing possible replacement.

Damn shame no one clearly told him he'd have to leave the set of the Apprentice to take up the POTUS job.

[Liep]

Trump on #metoo

Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?

[Valmy]

Yes there is due process, Mr. President. They are not being locked up without trial.

[dps]

Yes there is due process, Mr. President. They are not being locked up without trial.

In the criminal justice system, sure, but there is no due process in the court of public opinion.  You, I, and several other posters here have expressed the same concern that President Trump is expressing--that people can have their careers and lives ruined by false allegations.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Yeah, false allegations.

The picture, if you haven't seen it, shows Colbie Holderness, one of two ex-wives who have accused senior White House aide Rob Porter of physically abusing them. Porter, in the statement announcing his resignation Wednesday, declared that "these outrageous allegations are simply false. I took the photos given to the media nearly 15 years ago and the reality behind them is nowhere close to what is being described."

Okay, then, explain the photo, which Holderness says was taken after Porter punched her in the face on a trip to Florence. Bruises like this are not self-inflicted. Why does it matter who took the photo? The question is: Who committed the assault?

Explain Holderness's description, to the Daily Mail, which broke the story, of how, on their honeymoon, Porter "was angry because we weren't having sex when he wanted to have sex and he kicked me. . . . That was the first time he hurt me and then the doors opened. I didn't do anything and it continued." It always does, by the way. Once is never enough for abusers.
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Porter's second wife, Jennie Willoughby, received a temporary emergency protective order in ­Arlington in June 2010 after saying he refused to leave her residence, in violation of their separation agreement. She said he broke her window, causing his knuckles to bleed. The document, a copy of which was obtained by The Post, concludes that "reasonable grounds exist to believe that [Porter] has committed family abuse and there is probable danger of a further such offense."

[Eddie Teach]

Donald Trump is not the guy to make this argument.

[dps]

Donald Trump is not the guy to make this argument.

There isn't any argument that he's fit to make.  That wasn't my point in my response to Valmy.  And I'm not saying that the allegations against his staffers are false.  It's just that it seems like we've become so intent on finding bad things to say about Trump, we're getting close to "Hitler was a vegetarian" territory.  And why?  It's not like it's all that difficult to find things to criticize him for.

[grumbler]

...It's just that it seems like we've become so intent on finding bad things to say about Trump, we're getting close to "Hitler was a vegetarian" territory. 

Hitler was a vegetarian?  God, and I thought I hated him before learning that! 

[Valmy]

Yes there is due process, Mr. President. They are not being locked up without trial.

In the criminal justice system, sure, but there is no due process in the court of public opinion.  You, I, and several other posters here have expressed the same concern that President Trump is expressing--that people can have their careers and lives ruined by false allegations.

True but that has nothing to do with Due Process.

[Admiral Yi]

These guys weren't forced out by legal process or some other form of coercion, they were forced out by political calculation.  Until the time we implant brain chips in every American that prevent them from having negative opinions of people credibly accused (but not convicted in a court of law) of abuse, then the call for due process is meaningless.

And for folks who are arguing for due process, these guys are not putting up a very stout defense against the allegations.  The Azari case demonstrates it is possible to defend yourself against a false accusation.

[Razgovory]

What qualifies as "emotionally abusive"?

[mongers]

What qualifies as "emotionally abusive"?

No idea, but CdM left to do post-doctoral research in it.

[The Minsky Moment]

Let me try to put this Trump-Rob Porter due process nonsense to bed.

Rob Porter resigned.  There are two possibilities:

1) He resigned voluntarily, the WH didn't push him.  In which case, that's his personal decision.  It's not a "due process" issue.
2) The WH pushed him.  But Trump is the boss.  He can overrule Kelley or anyone else on that personnel decision.  In which case Trump is a freakin hypocrite.

Either way, Trump's due process point makes no sense on Porter.  The only way Porter could possibly be a victim here is if Trump forced him out (or agreed in the forcing out).

[DGuller]

I don't agree with the first option.  You can resign voluntarily because you realize that your position is untenable, and there is no way out of that.  I would say that's still being forced out, if the factors that make your position untenable are not subject to due process.