Mother-Son Incest Case

[garbon]

The height of rationality

[Tonitrus]

A Bugs Bunny cartoon?

If the goal is rationality from Looney Tunes...Foghorn Leghorn is the obviously the only option. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

[grumbler]

The height of rationality

I had forgotten about Zippy!

[grumbler]

A Bugs Bunny cartoon?

If the goal is rationality from Looney Tunes...Foghorn Leghorn is the obviously the only option. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

We are listing irrational things.

[garbon]

A Bugs Bunny cartoon?

If the goal is rationality from Looney Tunes...Foghorn Leghorn is the obviously the only option. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

We are listing irrational things.

[Camerus]

Or in Robespierre's "Republic of Virtue."

Or in Dilbert's office.

Or in a Cathy comic strip.

Yuck. Cathy is the worst. 

[grumbler]

Your hat is certainly irrational there, garbo! 

[OttoVonBismarck]

I mean, I just look at it more as, government is a society's rule keeper. Those rules more or less need to reflect society's broad moral opinions for them to be respected. If they aren't, they become irrelevant and meaningless.

For example Turkey for years had laws against women wearing headscarves in public, which was widely out of step with the opinions and morality of its people, and it contributed to societal problems. If we had decriminalized homosexuality in the year 1840 I don't think much would've changed for gays. If anything, gays who potentially felt safe in public would probably start getting lynched in record numbers and then they'd go underground again.

I'm glad homosexuality is decriminalized and more broadly accepted now. There is a minority that rejects it--but they're a minority, and a shrinking one. Expecting society's laws to adhere to universal maxims (on which there is no broad agreement) just isn't realistic.

We have a lot of animal cruelty laws that would be laughable in less industrialized countries, and frankly, alien.

[OttoVonBismarck]

This is also why I opposed large scale Muslim immigration in the West. Muslims largely cannot accept women as equals to men, or gays, or any number of other things. If a society becomes Muslim, then it will ultimately become regressive in those matters--because society's laws cannot survive if they are broadly opposed by the society.

[The Brain]

This is also why I opposed large scale Muslim immigration in the West. Muslims largely cannot accept women as equals to men, or gays, or any number of other things. If a society becomes Muslim, then it will ultimately become regressive in those matters--because society's laws cannot survive if they are broadly opposed by the society.

Racist.

[dps]

This is also why I opposed large scale Muslim immigration in the West. Muslims largely cannot accept women as equals to men, or gays, or any number of other things. If a society becomes Muslim, then it will ultimately become regressive in those matters--because society's laws cannot survive if they are broadly opposed by the society.

I largely agree with you that broadly shared values, not rationality, is the basis for a stable society.  However, I disagree with you about Muslim immigrants, at least as far as the US is concerned.  We're the Borg, not them--they will be assimilated.

[Sheilbh]

This is also why I opposed large scale Muslim immigration in the West. Muslims largely cannot accept women as equals to men, or gays, or any number of other things. If a society becomes Muslim, then it will ultimately become regressive in those matters--because society's laws cannot survive if they are broadly opposed by the society.

I largely agree with you that broadly shared values, not rationality, is the basis for a stable society.  However, I disagree with you about Muslim immigrants, at least as far as the US is concerned.  We're the Borg, not them--they will be assimilated.

The same, broadly, is happening in the UK. The evidence - like intermarriage, educational attainment etc - are all pointing in the right direction and suggest that the Muslim community is integrating in the same sort of way as the Indian community and before them thee Ashkenazi Jews it's just taken/is taking longer.

[OttoVonBismarck]

I'll remember that when ISIS in Britain broadcasts a video of your beheading in Trafalgar Square.

[Sheilbh]

Didn't say there wouldn't be home-grown terrorism.

[grumbler]

The same, broadly, is happening in the UK. The evidence - like intermarriage, educational attainment etc - are all pointing in the right direction and suggest that the Muslim community is integrating in the same sort of way as the Indian community and before them thee Ashkenazi Jews it's just taken/is taking longer.

I think it's taking longer because communication with "the old country" is so much easier these days, especially for the partially disaffected second generation who aren't clear on what their identity really is.