Should judges be removed from bench / pressured to resign for unpopular decision

[Martinus]

I guess it's a cultural thing but wanted to double check.

[MadImmortalMan]

I'd say popularity has no causal relationship with justice. The two are often at odds. So some immunity for judges from the whims of public sentiment is probably a good thing.

[Monoriu]

If we allow judges to be removed because they make unpopular decisions, then we may as well do away with judges.  Just decide each case by popular vote then. 

[garbon]

Oh I had to look to see what had you spinning now. I think with the case in question that certainly a committee should investigate whether or not what the judge did was legally sound. Particularly given that the sentence given was apparently less than the statuary minimum.

[Martinus]

Oh I had to look to see what had you spinning now. I think with the case in question that certainly a committee should investigate whether or not what the judge did was legally sound. Particularly given that the sentence given was apparently less than the statuary minimum.

I agree - but here we are talking about online petitions and people on Facebook calling for the judge to be removed from bench.

[garbon]

Oh I had to look to see what had you spinning now. I think with the case in question that certainly a committee should investigate whether or not what the judge did was legally sound. Particularly given that the sentence given was apparently less than the statuary minimum.

That's a different matter but at least in Europe such disciplinary actions are taken by special authorities and not by a public vote.

Here you go.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/06/07/how-easy-would-it-be-to-recall-the-judge-in-the-brock-turner-case#.x9O8lyNyD

After the sentencing last Thursday, hundreds of thousands of people became outraged, and social media lit up with calls — including one by a Stanford law professor — that the judge be recalled by popular vote. By Tuesday afternoon, a Change.org petition in support of that recall had accumulated over 415,000 signatures.

Yet recalling a sitting judge is almost unheard of, both in California and nationally. Nineteen states and Washington, D.C., allow the recall of state officials, but only eight allow it for judges — because the judicial branch is traditionally seen as deserving protection from popular whim, political pressure, or, as in this case, the increasing influence of social media.

"Recall is much, much more common for local and municipal officials, like school board officials and city council members," said William Raftery, a senior analyst for the National Center for State Courts. "Judges are only supposed to face recall, if at all, when they've committed a crime while in office or are deemed physically or mentally incompetent to actually do their job."

Indeed, of the states that allow judges to be recalled, most have statutes stipulating that it can only happen if the judge has committed some act of malfeasance — taking bribes, drunkenness in court, etc. — or nonfeasance — skipping hearings, struggling in old age to keep up.

The discretionary performance of a prescribed duty, like Judge Persky's decision in the Turner case, is rarely grounds for a recall.

In California, the process for attempting the recall a state official is somewhat easier, though still uncommon. Unlike other states, where reasons for recall are evaluated for merit, California's only requirement for a successful petition is that it follow a certain format and have enough signatures (calculated as a percentage of the number of voters in the last election). As a result, since 1913 the state has seen 49 attempts to recall governors and 27 attempts to recall Supreme Court justices. Those include former Gov. Gray Davis, who was famously recalled in 2003 and succeeded by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

But even in California, less prominent judges (essentially, all those not on the State Supreme Court) do not appear to face recall often. A review of local news accounts shows hardly any recall attempts of local judges in the past several years. Because these records are kept by court clerks in individual counties, statewide statistics are not available.

In one of the few attempted recalls of a superior court judge like Persky, the people of Orange County attempted to recall Judge Nancy Wieben Stock for granting O.J. Simpson custody of two of his children. The bid was unsuccessful.

Another recall attempt came just last year, in a case that bore some key similarities — and some key differences — with sentencing of Brock Turner.

After a jury convicted Kevin Rojano-Nieto of sodomizing a three-year-old child, Judge M. Marc Kelly sentenced him to 10 years in prison — rather than the statutory minimum of 25 years to life. Much as Judge Persky held in the Turner case, Judge Kelly contended that the crime was brief and impulsive, that Rojano-Nieto did not pose a long-term threat, and that a longer sentence would be "grossly disproportionate to the defendant's individual culpability."

And as in the Turner case, the judge almost immediately faced a national uproar. A Change.org petition gathered almost 85,000 signatures, calling Judge Kelly "reprehensible" for "showing empathy with the rapist" — who in this case was not an elite, white Stanford athlete but a 20-year-old Hispanic man with what Judge Kelly called a "dysfunctional" upbringing.

Judge Kelly soon fought back, writing in a statement that "this petition is an attack on judicial independence." The Los Angeles Times, in an editorial, argued that "the essence of the American justice system is that rulings are made by judges who are shielded from the heat of public emotion."

After failing to collect the minimum number of valid signatures, the petition failed.

The arguments on either side of the attempt to recall Judge Kelly may soon be echoed in the uproar over Judge Persky's handling of the Turner case. On the one side, social media users and advocates against campus rape have argued that in a time of great distrust of the criminal justice system — and of elected officials generally — the public should have more direct ways of holding its elected representatives accountable.

But opponents of recalling judges say that there can be such a thing as an excess of democracy, especially when it comes to the judicial branch.

As the Brennan Center for Justice has reported, attacks on judges for issuing "lenient sentences" and "failing to protect women and children" have the longer-term effect of making judges more likely to rule against innocent defendants and more likely to affirm death sentences.

"This heightened political temperature," wrote Alicia Bannon, an expert on judicial elections and recall, in a recent Brennan Center report, "risks exacerbating pressures to decide cases based on political...expediency, rather than on their understanding of the law."

[Martinus]

Yup, exactly the type of popular sentiment I have a deep problem with.

[The Larch]

Oh I had to look to see what had you spinning now. I think with the case in question that certainly a committee should investigate whether or not what the judge did was legally sound. Particularly given that the sentence given was apparently less than the statuary minimum.

Which case is that?

[Monoriu]

What about appeal courts?  If a judge makes a mistake, then somebody should make an appeal so that a court up in the chain of command can rectify the mistake.  We already have an established and accepted mechanism to deal with judge mistakes. 

[garbon]

What about appeal courts?  If a judge makes a mistake, then somebody should make an appeal so that a court up in the chain of command can rectify the mistake.  We already have an established and accepted mechanism to deal with judge mistakes. 

California also has an established mechanism, it is called a voter recall.

[garbon]

Oh I had to look to see what had you spinning now. I think with the case in question that certainly a committee should investigate whether or not what the judge did was legally sound. Particularly given that the sentence given was apparently less than the statuary minimum.

Which case is that?

The Stanford rapist who was given 6 months in jail (state minimum is 2 years). Also causing big waves because of the victim impact statement given by the victim.

[Martinus]

What about appeal courts?  If a judge makes a mistake, then somebody should make an appeal so that a court up in the chain of command can rectify the mistake.  We already have an established and accepted mechanism to deal with judge mistakes. 

California also has an established mechanism, it is called a voter recall.

Which, obviously, is wrong for reasons Mono and others have stated.

[garbon]

What about appeal courts?  If a judge makes a mistake, then somebody should make an appeal so that a court up in the chain of command can rectify the mistake.  We already have an established and accepted mechanism to deal with judge mistakes. 

California also has an established mechanism, it is called a voter recall.

Which, obviously, is wrong for reasons Mono and others have stated.

Maybe. At the same time, it has been a mechanism for quite some time and the dire scenario that Mono pointed out hasn't happened.

[celedhring]

There's judicial review and judicial misconduct charges for this kind of issue. Recalling judges by popular vote seems a terrible idea to me. Any case with resonance among the media / internet is potentially compromised.

[dps]

How exactly are California judges able to get away with giving convicted felons sentences that are less than the legal minimums?  Is there any judicial recourse for the state?  If not, what's the point of having minimum sentences on the books?

Not following the law in regards to sentencing sounds more like malfeasance or incompetence than simply making an unpopular decision.