Vote in the Spanish general election! (yes, AGAIN)

[celedhring]

Looks like the establishment parties won...?

I believe that Brexit had an effect here, although truth be said the results are very similar to 6 months ago. Maybe the polls were just wrong.

The biggest difference is that some center right vote has fled from Ciudadanos to PP.

[Sheilbh]

Looks like the establishment parties won...?

Looks like an exact repeat of the last vote

Maybe one or two seat changes if that.

The people have spoken, now we need to try and work out what they've said.

[Iormlund]

The devil is in the details.

Podemos was going into this round having swallowed the commies. A million votes in the last election ... and is seeing no effect from them.

So a repeated result is a VERY bad sign for Iglesias.

[Zanza]

Did the concept of a grand coalition between PP and PSOE ever occur to the respective party leaders?

[Agelastus]

Did the concept of a grand coalition between PP and PSOE ever occur to the respective party leaders?

I seem to recall mention of nobody agreeing to that while Rajoy was in charge of the PP (or perhaps just Prime-Minister) and Rajoy wasn't budging as he was the leader of the largest party and the incumbent Prime-Minister.

I'm sure one of our Spanish colleagues can clarify any errors I've made above.

[The Larch]

Did the concept of a grand coalition between PP and PSOE ever occur to the respective party leaders?

PP would love it, for PSOE it'd be political suicide and turn them into the new PASOK.

[celedhring]

PP's result 

Their home secretary was caught red handed conspiring to find dirt on political opponents last week, plus all the corruption scandals and overall nastiness and moral bankruptcy, yet they improve their results tonight. This country. 

[The Larch]

PP's result 

Their home secretary was caught red handed conspiring to find dirt on political opponents last week, plus all the corruption scandals and overall nastiness and moral bankruptcy, yet they improve their results tonight. This country. 

They've basically scooped back all their wishy-washy voters that went to Ciudadanos in the last elections.

[Sheilbh]

Did the concept of a grand coalition between PP and PSOE ever occur to the respective party leaders?

PP would love it, for PSOE it'd be political suicide and turn them into the new PASOK.

Yeah I don't think it could really work in many countries aside from Germany.

What about a deal like in Ireland with a minority government and Fianna Fail abstain on issues of confidence and supply (though we'll see how long that works)?

[The Larch]

For PSOE cooperation with PP of any kind is political suicide, they'd be propping up their government one way or the other.

[Iormlund]

PP's result 

Their home secretary was caught red handed conspiring to find dirt on political opponents last week, plus all the corruption scandals and overall nastiness and moral bankruptcy, yet they improve their results tonight. This country. 

They've basically scooped back all their wishy-washy voters that went to Ciudadanos in the last elections.

The Reds are coming!

[Iormlund]

What about a deal like in Ireland with a minority government and Fianna Fail abstain on issues of confidence and supply (though we'll see how long that works)?

We don't have that kind of political maturity here. What happens in Spain is a party wins and gets to do whatever the fuck they want for 4 years. Anything short of that is seen as weak and traitorous.

[The Larch]

PP's result 

Their home secretary was caught red handed conspiring to find dirt on political opponents last week, plus all the corruption scandals and overall nastiness and moral bankruptcy, yet they improve their results tonight. This country. 

They've basically scooped back all their wishy-washy voters that went to Ciudadanos in the last elections.

The Reds are coming!

Venezuela! Venezuela! Venezuela!

*Nicolás Maduro is summoned*

[Sheilbh]

What about a deal like in Ireland with a minority government and Fianna Fail abstain on issues of confidence and supply (though we'll see how long that works)?

We don't have that kind of political maturity here. What happens in Spain is a party wins and gets to do whatever the fuck they want for 4 years. Anything short of that is seen as weak and traitorous.

Nowt wrong with that

And I am genuinely very doubtful how well the Ireland deal will hold up. Fianna Fail have a whiff of getting back into power and that's all they're built for.

[Iormlund]

My gf is Venezuelan. She told me early today that if Pablito won she was going back to Germany. She HATES Germany.