Vote in the Spanish general election! (yes, AGAIN)

[celedhring]

So, the Socialist Party seems to have hit the self-destruct button.

That button must be quite worn-out at this point.

It will be pressed again in the future and when whoever comes after Sánchez (Susana Díaz? :Shudders: ) finally supports Rajoy, and that will the final time it gets pressed.

Yup, no matter how all over the place Podemos appear to be themselves, PSOE seem firmly set on gifting them the spot of main opposition party.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Ok, we should still fall short of that 

Around 400 if the third election finally produces a government.

assuming it does of course

[celedhring]

Ok, we should still fall short of that 

Around 400 if the third election finally produces a government.

assuming it does of course

There's just been an internal coup within the Socialist Party by the faction most favorable to let current president Mariano Rajoy get appointed again. So I think it's a given now.

[PJL]

So have Spanish Corbynistas infiltrated the PSOE then?

[celedhring]

So have Spanish Corbynistas infiltrated the PSOE then?

Not really, Sánchez' politics are pretty much your regular European Social-Democrat. But he was blocking the re-appointment of Mariano Rajoy as president, and has faced an internal coup as a result.

So a Socialist faction is about to destroy the party to get a conservative elected president. It's more PASOK than Labour.

[The Larch]

So have Spanish Corbynistas infiltrated the PSOE then?

Not really, Sánchez' politics are pretty much your regular European Social-Democrat. But he was blocking the re-appointment of Mariano Rajoy as president, and has faced an internal coup as a result.

So a Socialist faction is about to destroy the party to get a conservative elected president. It's more PASOK than Labour.

It is 100% PASOK-y, if the rebel faction of PSOE succeeds in getting somebody at the head of the party that will support Rajoy's government then in the following elections they will be reduced to a fraction of MPs of what they currently have. My guess is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3, and will be basically reduced to an Andalusian/Southern Spanish party. Podemos will fully become our Syriza and turn into the mainstream left wing party in Spanish politics for the foreseeable future.

Cel, I'm currently away from Spain, what's the media saying about this? El País is basically painting Sánchez as Tony Montana holed up in his mansion, and praises to high heavens the action of the plotters. I can't believe how much that paper has shifted in the recent years...

[celedhring]

Cel, I'm currently away from Spain, what's the media saying about this? El País is basically painting Sánchez as Tony Montana holed up in his mansion, and praises to high heavens the action of the plotters. I can't believe how much that paper has shifted in the recent years...

No joke, even ABC is being more balanced than them on this. Anyhow, that's the end of PSOE as the main left party in Spain.

Catalan media are only talking about the announcement of yet another independence referendum. 

[Zanza]

So with Sanchez gone, is there a chance for a government coalition between PSOE and PP under Rajoy?

[celedhring]

There won't be a coalition, but it's likely they will now abstain and allow Rajoy to be reappointed (sigh).

[The Larch]

Apparently PP want assurances of outside support during the new term on top of their abstention for Rajoy's elections so if they get it it'll be a Grand Coalition in all but name.

[The Larch]

So, PSOE's provisional management has decided by 139 votes against 96 to abstain in favour of Rajoy, so a PP government before the end of the year is now a foregone conclussion, and the prospect of beating Belgium's record of no government in place dissappears.

[Iormlund]

That's the end of the Socialist Party, I think. Almost 140 years after Pablo Iglesias founded it, another Pablo Iglesias has destroyed it.

[The Larch]

Nah, it's self inflicted.

[Iormlund]

Sure, but there had to be an alternative. Look at PP - rotten from top to bottom - yet there's no one there capable of diverting the voters from them.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

So, PSOE's provisional management has decided by 139 votes against 96 to abstain in favour of Rajoy, so a PP government before the end of the year is now a foregone conclussion, and the prospect of beating Belgium's record of no government in place dissappears.

again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...