Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Martinus]

The UKIP flotilla has now reached Parliament and is blaring out The Great Escape. A film in which most of the escapees die...

[Tamas]

There is apparently also a flotilla of pro-remain boats.

Could we have a naval battle plz?!

[Martinus]

There is apparently also a flotilla of pro-remain boats.

Could we have a naval battle plz?!

With "reds" vs. "blue"?

[Sheilbh]

Someone on Twitter's already done it. I'll post later.

[Tamas]

One of the interesting/puzzling parts for me that I am pretty sure that Europeans living outside of the UK had ZERO idea that leaving the EU is such a desire for so many Brits. It's a fringe opinion in most if not all EU states and here we are witnessing a lot of traction for it and a very decent chance for Leave winning.
It seems to have totally blindsided European public opinion.

[The Minsky Moment]

It's not that so much. More that middle class people (like me) benefit from cheap Polish builders, child care etc while working class people see their wages stagnate.

Wage stagnation is a much broader problem impacting working class people over the entirety of the developed country world, not just EU members.  If the belief is that exit will address that problem, it is mistaken.

[celedhring]

It's not that so much. More that middle class people (like me) benefit from cheap Polish builders, child care etc while working class people see their wages stagnate.

Wage stagnation is a much broader problem impacting working class people over the entirety of the developed country world, not just EU members.  If the belief is that exit will address that problem, it is mistaken.

Wages in Spain have been rocketing downwards for years, and we're actually losing population nowadays. In particular among youngsters, who are the ones that would compete for low wage jobs.

[Valmy]

It's not that so much. More that middle class people (like me) benefit from cheap Polish builders, child care etc while working class people see their wages stagnate.

Wage stagnation is a much broader problem impacting working class people over the entirety of the developed country world, not just EU members.  If the belief is that exit will address that problem, it is mistaken.

And the only reason they are not stagnating in the developing world is because they were already earning less than a dollar a day.

[Valmy]

It's not that so much. More that middle class people (like me) benefit from cheap Polish builders, child care etc while working class people see their wages stagnate.

Wage stagnation is a much broader problem impacting working class people over the entirety of the developed country world, not just EU members.  If the belief is that exit will address that problem, it is mistaken.

Wages in Spain have been rocketing downwards for years, and we're actually losing population nowadays. In particular among youngsters, who are the ones that would compete for low wage jobs.

When are your old people going to retire? I thought Euros all retired at 55 yet there are never any jobs for the kids.

[The Larch]

It's not that so much. More that middle class people (like me) benefit from cheap Polish builders, child care etc while working class people see their wages stagnate.

Wage stagnation is a much broader problem impacting working class people over the entirety of the developed country world, not just EU members.  If the belief is that exit will address that problem, it is mistaken.

Wages in Spain have been rocketing downwards for years, and we're actually losing population nowadays. In particular among youngsters, who are the ones that would compete for low wage jobs.

When are your old people going to retire? I thought Euros all retired at 55 yet there are never any jobs for the kids.

Update your stereotypes. Retirement ages are being raised, in Spain it's being raised to 67 IIRC.

[Josquius]

Well. This is....happening.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-06-15/nigel-farage-and-bob-geldof-have-hired-boats-and-are-having-a-brexit-v-bremain-battle-of-the-thames

[Valmy]

Update your stereotypes. Retirement ages are being raised, in Spain it's being raised to 67 IIRC.

The poor youth of Spain

[Zanza]

Well. This is....happening.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-06-15/nigel-farage-and-bob-geldof-have-hired-boats-and-are-having-a-brexit-v-bremain-battle-of-the-thames

Excellent stuff. That's the fun kind of political discourse I can appreciate.

[celedhring]

Well. This is....happening.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-06-15/nigel-farage-and-bob-geldof-have-hired-boats-and-are-having-a-brexit-v-bremain-battle-of-the-thames

Needs more dreadnoughts.

[Zanza]

One of the interesting/puzzling parts for me that I am pretty sure that Europeans living outside of the UK had ZERO idea that leaving the EU is such a desire for so many Brits. It's a fringe opinion in most if not all EU states and here we are witnessing a lot of traction for it and a very decent chance for Leave winning.
It seems to have totally blindsided European public opinion.

Britons being very eurosceptic and not participating in all European integration projects seems to be reasonably well known in Germany and Brexit is regularly in the media here. I just don't think Germans care much. The effect on the average German is probably not big either way.