Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Crazy_Ivan80

I don't see how anyone could be surprised at the reactions of the Trojan elephant we let into our nations.

Richard Hakluyt

Both the government and the opposition are resisting calls for a ceasefire. There are some polls on the general public's views on the war :

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/israel-gaza-conflict-7-10-britons-concerned-about-plight-of-civilians-on-both-sides

https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/47784-most-britons-have-sympathy-for-both-sides-in-israel-palestine-conflict

From the YouGov poll we can see that about 10% of the population have no sympathy for the Palestinian side and 10% have no sympathy for the Israeli side; most sympathise with both sides and a fair few don't know. These numbers are very high if we take them to mean a lack of sympathy for the civilians killed imo.

Admiral Yi

If Jews ever want to bail out on the ROTW and move here, I'm all for it.  Your chicks are hott and half your dudes are funny.

Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2023, 05:23:53 AMIf Jews ever want to bail out on the ROTW and move here, I'm all for it.  Your chicks are hott and half your dudes are funny.

Of course. You need to tell our own morons to STFU then. I don't know if Jews are as welcome here as they have been in the past.
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Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2023, 05:25:15 AMOf course. You need to tell our own morons to STFU then. I don't know if Jews are as welcome here as they have been in the past.

Hey Jews that move here: stay the fuck away from meth states like Ohio and Florida and I think you'll be OK.

HVC

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Syt

The ADL has a nifty map tracking all kinds of incidents.

https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-to-track-hate/heat-map

2023 only seems to have incidents up till May 2023 so far.

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garbon

Quote from: HVC on November 17, 2023, 05:54:05 AMIsn't Florida old Jew utopia?

Florida and utopia don't belong on the same sentence.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2023, 05:27:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2023, 05:25:15 AMOf course. You need to tell our own morons to STFU then. I don't know if Jews are as welcome here as they have been in the past.

Hey Jews that move here: stay the fuck away from meth states like Ohio and Florida and I think you'll be OK.

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Josquius

Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 17, 2023, 05:54:05 AMIsn't Florida old Jew utopia?

Florida and utopia don't belong on the same sentence.

But seriously Florida=elderly Jewish retirement zone is such a well known cliche.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Josquius on November 17, 2023, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 17, 2023, 05:54:05 AMIsn't Florida old Jew utopia?

Florida and utopia don't belong on the same sentence.

But seriously Florida=elderly Jewish retirement zone is such a well known cliche.

IRCC one of the arguments made by the Gore election campaign that the Florida ballets were flawed is that nice little old Jewish women were voting for Buchanan instead Gore, who was the candidate they had intended for vote for.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Syt on November 17, 2023, 06:29:41 AMThe ADL has a nifty map tracking all kinds of incidents.

https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-to-track-hate/heat-map

2023 only seems to have incidents up till May 2023 so far.
No map, but the Community Safety Trust have been doing regular updates - excerpt from the latest (geography largely seems to be the areas with the largest Jewish populations, which you'd probably expect):
https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2023/11/15/antisemitic-incidents-15-november-update
QuoteThese are all instances of anti-Jewish racism, wherein offenders are targeting Jewish people, communities and institutions for their Jewishness. In many cases, these hateful comments, threats to life and physical attacks are laced with the language and symbols of pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel politics.

Even compared to periods of previous conflicts involving Israel, these statistics are unprecedentedly high. The last time a significant spike in antisemitism related to events in the Middle East was recorded occurred in May 2021. Over the entire month of that conflict, from 8 May – 7 June, 691 instances of anti-Jewish hate were recorded. After 7 June, antisemitic incident levels in the UK returned to what CST would consider a "normal" level (which is still shamefully high, averaging over 100 incidents per month). At present, there is no sign that the volume of anti-Jewish hatred is subsiding to this "normal".

Across the first 40 days of the conflict in July 2014, we recorded 470 antisemitic incidents. Bear in mind, when comparing these to the 1324 anti-Jewish hate incidents recorded since Saturday 7 October, that the figures for 2021 and 2014 are final totals including all late-reported incidents, whereas the current total of 1324 incidents is only provisional and will almost certainly increase further.

In addition to the 1324 anti-Jewish hate incidents recorded so far, CST also logged at least 865 incidents that have not been classified as antisemitic. These include criminal acts affecting Jewish people and property, suspicious behaviour near to Jewish locations, and anti-Israel activity that is not directed at the Jewish community or does not use antisemitic language. Many of these potential incidents involve suspicious activity or possible hostile reconnaissance at Jewish locations, and they play an important role in informing CST's provision of protection to the Jewish community.

The 1324 antisemitic incidents recorded over this forty-day period fall into the following categories:
    64 Assaults
    92 Damage & Desecration to Jewish property
    120 direct Threats
    1045 Abusive Behaviour, including verbal abuse, graffiti on non-Jewish property, hate mail and online abuse
    3 instances of mass-produced antisemitic Literature

CST has recorded 730 antisemitic incidents in Greater London; 262 in Greater Manchester; 44 in Hertfordshire; 36 in West Yorkshire; 26 in Scotland; 23 in Thames Valley; 19 in the West Midlands; 14 in Nottinghamshire; 14 in Sussex; 13 in Merseyside; and the remaining 143 incidents were spread across 32 different police regions around the UK.

Nine hundred and thirty-one of the 1324 antisemitic incidents occurred offline and 393 were online. Many of the online incidents were 'pile-ons' involving multiple antisemitic posts and comments all in the same thread or conversation; CST records these as a single incident.

Eighty-four antisemitic incidents were related to universities across the UK. In the first six months of 2023, CST recorded just 17 incidents of this kind, and 56 in the whole of 2022. Meanwhile, 89 incidents were related to the school sector. Forty of these affected students and teachers at non-Jewish schools; 29 involved Jewish schoolchildren abused on their way to or from school; 15 targeted Jewish schools; and five involved offenders from non-Jewish schools abusing adult members of the public or Jewish locations. Between January and June 2023, 67 incidents in the school sector were reported to CST.

Whenever Israel is at war, CST records an increase in anti-Jewish hate across the country, and an acute rise is usually reported specifically in and related to places of education.

Very struck by the fact that this is largely offline and the experience - also in Tamas' article (and from what I see online more of an issue than the meth states in the US) - around education.

As I say though and as you'd expect, I think it largely reflects the distribution of the Jewish community - around 2/3s are in London, plus surrounding suburbs (like Hertfordshire - which is the most Jewish county), then about 10% in Manchester.
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PJL

I think Hamas has won this. When even Tory councils are now calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, I think Israel has lost the war.

Here's the article on the council calling for an immediate ceasefire:

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/tory-led-council-unanimously-calls-8913687

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Josquius on November 17, 2023, 08:39:55 AMBut seriously Florida=elderly Jewish retirement zone is such a well known cliche.

My understanding is the retiree demographic started switching from NY Jew to Midwesterner some time ago, and that explains Florida's transformation from purple battleground to red state.

Savonarola

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2023, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: Josquius on November 17, 2023, 08:39:55 AMBut seriously Florida=elderly Jewish retirement zone is such a well known cliche.

My understanding is the retiree demographic started switching from NY Jew to Midwesterner some time ago, and that explains Florida's transformation from purple battleground to red state.

South Florida has a largish Jewish population; but Central Florida (especially with The Villages) is more gentile retiree.  At least here we get a lot of people from the East Coast as well as the Midwest.  In Melbourne have so many retirees from New York City that retirees from the NYPD and NYFD march in our parades.
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