Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[garbon]

There's other options than doing something purely altruisticly expecting to lose money and lying that they care about something just so they can profit for opposite reasons.

Are they lying right now?  I just skimmed Shelf's article so I might have missed something.  We are talking about oil and gas companies fracking aren't we?

More importantly, why does it matter if they want to hug whales and save turtles or not?  If fracking is a good policy and they frack, what's the difference?

If they're lying about giving a shit about the current temporary situation then they're likely to push how much they do to the max and fight against stopping when the situation eases.

Well, of course. Why would a business no longer want to profit from something that people were okay letting go ahead?

[Josquius]

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Well, of course. Why would a business no longer want to profit from something that people were okay letting go ahead?

They're not.
And the fossil fuel companies  know this so they're specifically promising it's temporary.

[Sheilbh]

I think it's a state decision though. We either allow it or we don't and beyond that I'm not really expecting an extractive fossil fuel company to have a political stance.

I support the Cumbria coal mine because I backed bailing out British Steel. I think it's important to have steel manufacturing capacity domestically. So I think to be consistent I should support allowing extraction of the resources for that industry in the UK, subject to our regulations, and not make it someone else's problem.

Similarly with oil and gas. I think there is still a need for extraction particularly in Europe, so it should be allowed by the state auctioning off licenses. And we should reopen our gas storage (which I think is happening).

At the same time we should invest in renewables, in research for storage especially but also, say, zero carbon steel (though chances are breakthroughs on that will happen in China).

[Josquius]

On coal mines I do think that's an area where NIMBYs should have a bit of a voice.

A few years ago there was a proposal near my town for an open cast coal mine. They tried to push this with the brexit brigade on talking of how wonderful it was to bring coal mining back to the area...

What they planned though was not decent local jobs but to bring in people from elsewhere to rip up the earth for a few years, take it out by rolling massive wagon after wagon through residential areas, and then leave a lot up to trust about the restoration afterwards.

It was thrown out.
If only they'd promised a little bit more on the railway expansion they'd talked about...

I do think this is an area where they really should have an obligation to meet the concerns of local communities. Maybe we need a formal system better setup for being a nimby where complaints must be specific and then suitable counters prepared and judged by an independent body.

Contracts should be given on these things but they should be closed ended and with tight restrictions. They're national security and well being matters. Not places to try and maximise a quick profit.

[Tamas]

Josq on the side of Thatcher, opposing coal mines!

[Tamas]

Meanwhile I guess one good thing about the monarchy is that the pompous above-the-law person gets to slightly humiliate self-absorbed twats:

The new prime minister will have to travel to Balmoral in Scotland for their audience with the Queen before formally taking over in Downing Street, the royal family has said in a statement.

Boris Johnson will also have to travel 500 miles from London to the monarch's Aberdeenshire estate next Tuesday before he steps down as prime minister, to be succeeded by either Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak.

[Sheilbh]

Really hope Sunak wins now and they have to fly together

[The Brain]

The Queen: "Hey Johnson, see you next Tuesday!"

[Josquius]

Josq on the side of Thatcher, opposing coal mines!

It was never about the coal, it was about the workers

[Richard Hakluyt]

The Queen should also demand that they use public transport to get there.

[Sheilbh]

The Queen should also demand that they use public transport to get there.

Well unless Johnson hitches a ride with the new PM, he will have to make his own way home

[Josquius]

The Queen should also demand that they use public transport to get there.

Yes.
And billet them in that one cottage on the estate where the heating is currently out of order.

[Gups]

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Well, of course. Why would a business no longer want to profit from something that people were okay letting go ahead?

They're not.
And the fossil fuel companies  know this so they're specifically promising it's temporary.

Then the licence to extract will be tempoarary. Not sure what the issue is here.

[Zanza]

At the same time we should invest in renewables, in research for storage especially but also, say, zero carbon steel (though chances are breakthroughs on that will happen in China).

ThyssenKrupp seems to have a fairly clear roadmap to get there. Direct reduction using green hydrogen, electricity based melting. This will be significantly more expensive than traditionally produced steel though, so if we want this, we need to price traditional steel out of the market...

[Josquius]

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Well, of course. Why would a business no longer want to profit from something that people were okay letting go ahead?

They're not.
And the fossil fuel companies  know this so they're specifically promising it's temporary.

Then the licence to extract will be tempoarary. Not sure what the issue is here.

You trust this to be the case.
I don't.