Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

I don't see what's wrong with that article.
Not mentioning the anti semitism stuff?

[Tamas]

I don't see what's wrong with that article.
Not mentioning the anti semitism stuff?

Your old tribe has been captured and overtaken by a bunch of morons, but they can still hide that from you just by waving the flag in front of you.

[garbon]

It's nice he devoted time to calling out the media as an enemy force.

[Maladict]

It's nice he devoted time to calling out the media as an enemy force.

That's what gets you votes these days. A little late for him, though

[Sheilbh]

It's very Tony Benn in 1983.

There's no self-reflection, no admission of mistakes, no taking responsibility. And if we get a Tory majority of 80 when Labour win the argument, I'd hate to see what happens when they lose.

Also I particularly enjoy these sentences being so close together, I assume unironically:

There is no doubt that our policies are popular, from public ownership of rail and key utilities to a massive house-building programme and a pay rise for millions. The question is, how can we succeed in future where we didn't this time?

There is no quick fix to overcome the distrust of many voters. Patronising them will not win them over. Labour has to earn their trust. That means the patient work of listening and standing with communities, especially as the government steps up its assault. And it means ensuring that the working class, in all its diversity, is the driving force within our party.

Edit: In the Labour civil war, Caroline Flint former MP for the Don Valley shivving Emily Thornberry while wearing a green Christmas jumper:

Ms Flint claimed Ms Thornberry would not have "any credibility" if she ran for leadership, telling Sky News: "She said to one of my colleagues, 'I'm glad my constituents aren't as stupid as yours'.

"I'm sorry, it's not acceptable."

Ms Thornberry vehemently denied the claim today - after her former colleague made it to thousands of live TV viewers while wearing a green Christmas jumper.

Ms Thornberry said in a statement: "This is a total and utter lie. I have never said this to anyone, nor anything like it, and I hope needless to say, it is not something I would ever think."

[Richard Hakluyt]

The tories have a clear run for at least 10 years with Labour once again succumbing to its tribalist instincts. It will be interesting to see what happens, will Johnson fulfil the dreams of the nasty right or conduct a more emollient government?

It is a funny thing about Labour; I have always disliked that party and only rarely voted for them.......but my natural home is on the centre-left. I wonder how many there are like me out there?

[Legbiter]

The tories have a clear run for at least 10 years with Labour once again succumbing to its tribalist instincts. It will be interesting to see what happens, will Johnson fulfil the dreams of the nasty right or conduct a more emollient government?

Yeah it'll be very interesting. These new red Tories will want investments to be made in their constituencies  and they have preferences with regards to industrial policy and immigration that are in direct opposition to other tendencies within the Conservatives.

I'm also wondering what kind of party is Labour today in light of the seats they still hold. They're all but wiped out in Scotland, the northern working class is gone so who is left?

[Sheilbh]

Student towns, (most) ethnic minorities, the new working class (young people in cities with precarious employment - zero-hour contracts, gig economy), public sector workers, what Thomas Piketty calls the "Brahmin left", and the North-West

But you're right on the Tories. Historically they are the most change to survive and win party in the world and they may be doing it again. Because some of these areas will have a very different set of policy preferences than, say, Surrey. It'll be interesting to see how they balance that offer. It will be a million miles away from the expansively deregulatory ideas of Patel and Raab in their "Britain Unchained" book.

[The Brain]

what Thomas Piketty calls the "Brahmin left"

Two-faced bastards.

[Iormlund]

 

[celedhring]

I thought of Fallout too 

[Sheilbh]

Incidentally looks like we might be moving to a Catalonia situation.

SNP ran on an explicit platform of holding a second referendum. They won 48 of the 59 Scottish seats and Nicola Sturgeon has already said she wants a second referendum and won't ask for "permission" from Westminster as it is a "claim" of Scotland's democratic rights.

Interestingly six senior former Scottish Labour figures (including their last leader) have come out and said Labour needs to re-think it's apporach on this. As they've put it, basically in Scotland this was an explicitly unionist/nationalist campaign and the unionists lost. As the former leader, Kezia Dugdale put it, "It's hard to disagree with the SNP's argument that they have now had three elections with three very clear mandates for another independence referendum."

I've no idea what'll be happening now. I think technically what happens is the Scottish government asks for a referendum which is within the UK government's gift. But the Scottish government could take that to the Supreme Court for judicial review. Alternately the Scottish Parliament could legislate for a referendum without UK government consent, leading the UK government to take it to the Supreme Court

[Iormlund]

That would be pretty foolish, it would basically guarantee a Spanish veto.

[Sheilbh]

Even post-Brexit?

I mean I think it may be slightly priced in. There were loads of articles in 2014 that the Spanish would veto Scotland staying in the EU if they voted "yes" and the SNP/nationalists in general have had a lot of sympathy with the Catalan nationalists - MSPs wearing yellow ribbons, the odd rally etc.

[Josquius]

It could play well for the snp to completely follow the snp. Follow this path knowing independence won't be allowed.

I don't see what's wrong with that article.
Not mentioning the anti semitism stuff?

Your old tribe has been captured and overtaken by a bunch of morons, but they can still hide that from you just by waving the flag in front of you.

Huh?
Im not sure what you're even talking about here. It's the other side who are into flag waving.