Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Richard Hakluyt]

Louise Ellman was leader of Lancashire county council 1981-1997. I recall a competent and pragmatic council during those years. The tories are currently in charge and there has been a certain amount of scandal :

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/16597297.lancashire-county-council-fraud-investigation-four-more-involved/

[chipwich]

How much does the ROI actually want political unification with Northern Ireland nowadays? Isn't NI a conservative enclave with abortion and gay marriage being illegal? And being the disreputable part of the Island in general?

[garbon]

So one thing I don't get right now is why are all the papers (including the Guardian), suddenly breathlessly repeating how Boris might clinch a deal. None of them seem to suggest he actually has the votes in parliament.

[Richard Hakluyt]

So one thing I don't get right now is why are all the papers (including the Guardian), suddenly breathlessly repeating how Boris might clinch a deal. None of them seem to suggest he actually has the votes in parliament.

My guess is that they are hoping that the Commons will require a confirmatory referendum against revocation. That way we get a chance to remain or at worst avoid no-deal; plus the whole saga moves from the limelight into endless tedious technical negotiations with the EU that can safely be ignored by the general public.

[garbon]

Well DUP has now said no.

[Maladict]

Time for Boris to find himself a ditch.

[Tamas]

There's nothing controversial about the LibDem revoke plan. They would do that if they won an outright majority on a national election, and they have declared this very publicly and clearly. Anyone who doesn't want a revoke should not vote for them. So if they do win a majority on their own, that's a pretty clear democratic mandate to end this madness. Especially since its the LibDems.

[Tamas]

Also this is the exact repeat of the week or so before May's deal. Only difference going to be is that Johnson will have accepted all EU demands.

[celedhring]

There's nothing controversial about the LibDem revoke plan. They would do that if they won an outright majority on a national election, and they have declared this very publicly and clearly. Anyone who doesn't want a revoke should not vote for them. So if they do win a majority on their own, that's a pretty clear democratic mandate to end this madness. Especially since its the LibDems.

Issue is that in FPTP you can win a majority with what, 30-something%?

[Tamas]

There's nothing controversial about the LibDem revoke plan. They would do that if they won an outright majority on a national election, and they have declared this very publicly and clearly. Anyone who doesn't want a revoke should not vote for them. So if they do win a majority on their own, that's a pretty clear democratic mandate to end this madness. Especially since its the LibDems.

Issue is that in FPTP you can win a majority with what, 30-something%?

So how is that different from all the governments before? If it's all ok for decades to give people pretty much absolute power based on such a system, what's different with this now?

[Liep]

Brexit is done.

[Syt]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50079385

A Brexit deal has been agreed between UK and EU negotiating teams before a meeting of European leaders in Brussels.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control."

The two sides have been working on the legal text of a deal, but it will still need the approval of both the UK and European parliaments.

The DUP has cast doubt on its sign off, saying they still cannot support it.

The Northern Irish party earlier released a statement saying they could not back proposals "as things stand", and - after the PM's announcement - said their statement "still stands".

So, what are the odds that this will die in parliament?

[Richard Hakluyt]

I believe Labour are saying they will support it if it is subject to a confirmatory referendum.

[Tamas]

Brexit is done.

[Tamas]

I believe Labour are saying they will support it if it is subject to a confirmatory referendum.

That would be neat.