Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Solmyr

Quote from: mongers on September 21, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
The deluded lead by clowns, but which UK political party might I Not be thinking of?  :bowler:

Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party?

Syt

I feel Banksi's Devolved Parliament (an update to his Question Time) seems appropriate.

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Sheilbh

#10397
After stumbling to a fairly coherent Brexit position, Corbyn's moving for policy to be:
Labour wins a general election.
Labour negotiates a "Labour leave deal" in three months (basically for Labour it's all about the political declaration so that is doable).
There will be a referendum on that deal vs remain.
Labour MPs will be free to campaign for the deal or for remain (but shouldn't be announcing their position now).
There will be a Labour conference to vote on the Party's support for their deal or remain - that will decide how Corbyn campaigns.

Just last week lots of Labour supporters were mocking the idea that their policy was complicated or convoluted :blink:

Edit: I think this is subject to a non-leadership motion which is all of the above, except for the last stop and the Party's position will be remain.

Edit: And Corbyn's head of policy is resigning:
QuoteFisher wrote a memo to colleagues, the Sunday Times reports, saying members of Corbyn's team had a "lack of professionalism, competence and human decency". He also accused them of making a "blizzard of lies and excuses" and apparently claimed that the highest ranks of the party were engaged in "class war". Labour said it did not comment on staffing matters. Fisher said in a statement reported by Sky News that he wanted to spend more time with his family and would remain until after the likely autumn general election.

The 40-year-old has been a controversial figure within the Labour movement. He was suspended from Labour in 2015 for apparently supporting a Class War candidate against Emily Benn, Tony Benn's granddaughter, in the general election, and Benn called for him to be expelled. He also appeared in a video saying he had "very violent, bloody nightmares" about hitting former Labour cabinet minister James Purnell.
Let's bomb Russia!

The Brain

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: The Brain on September 22, 2019, 07:58:17 AM
What's the point of Labour? Non-rhetorical.

Not enough robots yet.
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Sheilbh

Supreme Court judgment to be handed down tomorrow at 1030 :o
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.
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Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 23, 2019, 07:15:27 AM
Supreme Court judgment to be handed down tomorrow at 1030 :o

Will Johnson be sent to the Tower  :P ?

crazy canuck

Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.

What is the connection?

Josquius

Quote from: crazy canuck on September 23, 2019, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.

What is the connection?

Made less people willing to book holidays abroad in advance due to the uncerainty and made fixed costs in currencies other than pounds higher.
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Barrister

Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.

I thought it was no big deal when I first heard the news, but looking closer... they're not just going bankrupt, they're ceasing operations and liquidating.
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mongers

Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2019, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.

I thought it was no big deal when I first heard the news, but looking closer... they're not just going bankrupt, they're ceasing operations and liquidating.

Maybe they were in part pulled down because of the value of their aircraft landing slots?  :secret:
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Barrister

Quote from: mongers on September 23, 2019, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2019, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
So. Thomas Cook.
Thats a pretty big brexit casualty.

I thought it was no big deal when I first heard the news, but looking closer... they're not just going bankrupt, they're ceasing operations and liquidating.

Maybe they were in part pulled down because of the value of their aircraft landing slots?  :secret:

:tinfoil: :Joos
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Richard Hakluyt

#10408
There are a variety of reasons for the collapse of Thomas Cook; brexit being a very minor one.

The essential problem is that more and more people are becoming their own travel agents via the internet; so the package holiday market is shrinking. Thos Cook responded to this by taking over rival firms (my travel rings a bell here); the company became heavily indebted. The coup de grace may have been the hot summer (plus a brexit effect?) that led to a fall in bookings in 2018 in a business with tight margins.

It should be noted that Thos Cook had already been bailed out by shareholders back in 2013; way before brexit became an issue.

Josquius

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 23, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
There are a variety of reasons for the collapse of Thomas Cook; brexit being a very minor one.

The essential problem is that more and more people are becoming their own travel agents via the internet; so the package holiday market is shrinking. Thos Cook responded to this by taking over rival firms (my travel rings a bell here); the company became heavily indebted. The coup de grace may have been the hot summer (plus a brexit effect?) that led to a fall in bookings in 2018 in a business with tight margins.

It should be noted that Thos Cook had already been bailed out by shareholders back in 2013; way before brexit became an iddue.


Thats the thing with all these companies going through troubles due to brexit though; there's always other reasons to blame.
Whenever the auto industry announces yet more trouble its definitely due to Diesels being unpopular or obviously they want to manufacture in their home country ergo the EU is bad or whatever.
Nothing in life happens due to a single cause.
However, brexit is an additional problem we are throwing at companies entirely by our own choosing. With Thomas Cook this bad summer thanks to brexit was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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