Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Richard Hakluyt]

I'm beginning to suspect that you are one of these remoaners Tamas 

[garbon]

I don't get why we would care about people so abominable as to order fish at a chicken place.

[Tamas]

According to this, Johnson's cabinet is a marvellous collection of people with very direct business links to firms and countries which would benefit greatly from a hard Brexit, or are invested heavily in the field the given minister is responsible for, usually both:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/welcome-to-boris-johnsons-government-of-all-the-lobbyists/


Basically, as if the lobbyist you hire, has not only been influencing the appropriate cabinet decision-maker, but in fact has become that decisions-maker. Very good value for money, I have to say.

[The Larch]

Interesting graph stolen from P'dox. Can somebody clarify the socio-economical implications of each choice?

[Tamas]

It's "a poor people voted Leave" chart.

[garbon]

It's "a poor people voted Leave" chart.

Well apart from fact that Sainbury's, on grocery side, is certainly not posher/more expensive than M&S. Certainly closer to Tesco.

[Tamas]

It's "a poor people voted Leave" chart.

Well apart from fact that Sainbury's, on grocery side, is certainly not posher/more expensive than M&S. Certainly closer to Tesco.

Yeah I also didn't notice Co-op there. That's probably the shittiest of the chains. Not cheap, and crap quality.

[The Larch]

It's "a poor people voted Leave" chart.

So Iceland is the cheaper supermarket chain of choice, then? Any geographical implications, or are they all UK wide companies?

[Josquius]

Co-op is on the expensive end of normal.

Iceland's specialising in frozen food I think does heavily point towards the brexit heartlands of small, poor towns. Not many poor city-dwellers with huge freezers.

I'm surprised that such Tory brands as M&S and Waitrose are more towards remain.
Though I guess like Iceland its more a sign of where they are to be found.

[Tamas]

It's "a poor people voted Leave" chart.

So Iceland is the cheaper supermarket chain of choice, then? Any geographical implications, or are they all UK wide companies?

I recognise all of them except the bottom one.

Iceland is a big chain that's everywhere, but as the name suggests, isn't really a proper supermarket, it specialises in frozen stuff. Cheap one. So if you lack time/money/desire to cook, you go there. We have stopped going to the one close to us a while ago. It's ghastly, really.


In my eyes, Morrisons and Sainsburys are largely the same. Acceptable if you don't have anything else closer, but no great.

ASDA is slightly better than those two, but largely the same category.

M&S is good for clothing but for groceries it's expensive with very little choice or variety. Seems to be cashing in on old people who have never gone to any other store in their lives.

Waitrose is the "high end" of supermarket chains. I am not sure if it's policy but I have never seen a non-white clerk (at least mingled with customers) at a Waitrose, ever. They are expensive but usually (far from always) the quality mostly matches the price.

TESCO IMHO is the best middle ground on quantity, quality, and price. It doesn't mean it's anything special, but in a closely matched race they come out front at least in the areas I have lived in.

Lidl isn't very good in terms of choices but they carry a lot of more "continental" stuff which is great, I won't mind once again living close to one of them soon. It is generally looked down upon by the natives.

[Sheilbh]

I love Lidl and Aldi. Ocado is an online delivery supermarket so may be very urban focused and not really offered in rural/small town areas.

[garbon]

Iceland's specialising in frozen food I think does heavily point towards the brexit heartlands of small, poor towns. Not many poor city-dwellers with huge freezers.

Where I used to live (), we had an Iceland, M&S, Waitrose and Sainsbury's all right near one another...Tesco in a little bit more walking distance.

Actually, where I live now has pretty much the same mix but Waitrose swapped for Lidl.

[garbon]

Waitrose is the "high end" of supermarket chains. I am not sure if it's policy but I have never seen a non-white clerk (at least mingled with customers) at a Waitrose, ever. They are expensive but usually (far from always) the quality mostly matches the price.

That definitely has not matched with my experience. Only thing I'd note for Waitrose as they tend to be more expensive than M&S with no real increase in quality + only store where I've been treated rudely by checkout workers.

[garbon]

Oh and Sainsbury's and Tesco are virtually indistinguishable apart from one using red, white and blue branding and the other using a garish combination of orange and...burgundy?

[Agelastus]

Waitrose is the "high end" of supermarket chains. I am not sure if it's policy but I have never seen a non-white clerk (at least mingled with customers) at a Waitrose, ever. They are expensive but usually (far from always) the quality mostly matches the price.

That definitely has not matched with my experience. Only thing I'd note for Waitrose as they tend to be more expensive than M&S with no real increase in quality + only store where I've been treated rudely by checkout workers.

That's a bit of a surprise given who owns it.

As for Iceland I don't consider it to be somewhere to shop regularly but I do buy some frozen stuff for convenience and Iceland almost makes a fetish of having a different range to the supermarket chains.