Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

Yes.


Also I have just come to a realisation: the next election will present the alternative of Johnson vs. Corbyn. With the utterly right-wing government assembled by Johnson, that is a terrifying prospect.

I mean, I hope the LibDems will do well, if I have my citizenship by that time I will definitely vote on them, but I can't see how they would grow immediately big enough to have a majority, and Corbyn will not play secondary to them in a coalition, so there we go.

Johnson and Corbyn are polar opposites really.
Johnson is a moderate who has decided the hard right are a path to personal power, has appointed extremists to his cabinet and is pushing extremism all the way.
Corbyn is from the hard left but has somehow fallen into personal power. He has towed a very democratic line, making a cabinet that isn't too overwhelmingly left wing and most importantly generally publishing very moderate manifestos.

I just hope the Brexit party are able to keep up their momentum.
If they don't then seeing the left split between lib dem and labour will hand power to the tories. Again.

[Tamas]

Yes.


Also I have just come to a realisation: the next election will present the alternative of Johnson vs. Corbyn. With the utterly right-wing government assembled by Johnson, that is a terrifying prospect.

I mean, I hope the LibDems will do well, if I have my citizenship by that time I will definitely vote on them, but I can't see how they would grow immediately big enough to have a majority, and Corbyn will not play secondary to them in a coalition, so there we go.

Johnson and Corbyn are polar opposites really.
Johnson is a moderate who has decided the hard right are a path to personal power, has appointed extremists to his cabinet and is pushing extremism all the way.
Corbyn is from the hard left but has somehow fallen into personal power. He has towed a very democratic line, making a cabinet that isn't too overwhelmingly left wing and most importantly generally publishing very moderate manifestos.

I just hope the Brexit party are able to keep up their momentum.
If they don't then seeing the left split between lib dem and labour will hand power to the tories. Again.

That's a sound analysis.

So where is the real Tyr and what have you done with him?!

[Valmy]

Brexit/UKIP got less than 2% of the vote in 2017 and the Tories still needed Northern Ireland to hold on. Just saying.

[Duque de Bragança]

The company's chief executive, Carlos Tavares, told the Financial Times the business would switch to a plant in southern Europe to build Vauxhall Astra and Opel Astra

A plant in Caesaraugusta/Zaragoza just in case somebody had not guessed by then. 

[garbon]

Yes.


Also I have just come to a realisation: the next election will present the alternative of Johnson vs. Corbyn. With the utterly right-wing government assembled by Johnson, that is a terrifying prospect.

I mean, I hope the LibDems will do well, if I have my citizenship by that time I will definitely vote on them, but I can't see how they would grow immediately big enough to have a majority, and Corbyn will not play secondary to them in a coalition, so there we go.

Johnson and Corbyn are polar opposites really.
Johnson is a moderate who has decided the hard right are a path to personal power, has appointed extremists to his cabinet and is pushing extremism all the way.
Corbyn is from the hard left but has somehow fallen into personal power. He has towed a very democratic line, making a cabinet that isn't too overwhelmingly left wing and most importantly generally publishing very moderate manifestos.

I just hope the Brexit party are able to keep up their momentum.
If they don't then seeing the left split between lib dem and labour will hand power to the tories. Again.

That's a sound analysis.

So where is the real Tyr and what have you done with him?!

Well apart from the fact that Corbyn doesn't really seem all that open to other ideas...

[Iormlund]

The company's chief executive, Carlos Tavares, told the Financial Times the business would switch to a plant in southern Europe to build Vauxhall Astra and Opel Astra

A plant in Caesaraugusta/Zaragoza just in case somebody had not guessed by then. 

There are plants in Vigo and Portugal as well, and that would also help us (indirectly). But yeah, having the new Astra at Zaragoza would mean a huge improvement for the local economy.

[Josquius]

Well apart from the fact that Corbyn doesn't really seem all that open to other ideas...

On brekshit he is playing ignorant.
But in general Labour's manifesto went directly against his views in places. It was really something pulled from the middle of the party rather than the fringe.

[The Minsky Moment]

But the fact is that a strong and talented Labor leader would be running the tables on the shambolic disaster that is Torydom right now.  And Corbin clearly is not that at a time in history when one is badly needed.

[crazy canuck]

But the fact is that a strong and talented Labor leader would be running the tables on the shambolic disaster that is Torydom right now.  And Corbin clearly is not that at a time in history when one is badly needed.

Agreed.   The Guardian had a good piece on the hard left's opposition to and then grudging acceptance of the EU - not sure Corbyn ever really got over his opposition.  But surely even he can now see the political opportunity open to him if he plays this correctly and the disaster looming for Labour if he does not.

[Josquius]

Yeah, but Corbyn being shit is quite a different thing to Corbyn being the dangerous communist menace he is painted as

[Tonitrus]

But the fact is that a strong and talented Labor leader would be running the tables on the shambolic disaster that is Torydom right now.  And Corbin clearly is not that at a time in history when one is badly needed.

Agreed.   The Guardian had a good piece on the hard left's opposition to and then grudging acceptance of the EU - not sure Corbyn ever really got over his opposition.  But surely even he can now see the political opportunity open to him if he plays this correctly and the disaster looming for Labour if he does not.

I suppose one could blame Blair.  As the last strong (New)Labour leader politician, it seems his involvement with the Iraq war discredited NL among the solid left, and alienated the rest/centrists (which NL had mostly appealed to, if I am not mistaken).  And that swung Labour back to the left and under the control of those who back Corbyn. 

But I am not sure another Labour leader who is as left-wing as Corbyn, even if a better political personality, would fit the bill.

[Tonitrus]

Though I will say, the one time I saw Emily Thornberry sit in for Corbyn on PMQ...I wondered why the heck she isn't the leader.  I don't know enough of her politics to judge her on that, but she handled herself far more impressively than I see Corbyn do.

[Josquius]

Ed Miliband is the best pm we never had
And in terms of left vs centre he sat right in the middle of the party.

Going forward I've got my fingers crossed for Keir Starmer. The only competent adult in this whole brexit crap. Alas he missed his time to shine I fear

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah, but Corbyn being shit is quite a different thing to Corbyn being the dangerous communist menace he is painted as

I doubt he is a menace to the mice in his garden.

[Tamas]

Johnson sends 'ditch the backstop' message to EU via Brexit adviser

Right.

"Please throw Ireland under the bus and discredit the founding ideas of the EU, so Britain can negate all negative effects of leaving. OR ELSE, we will shoot ourselves in both feet and make YOU look like you have integrity."