Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[HVC]

In josq's world all right is far right

[Razgovory]

In josq's world all right is far right

Also the middle and some left.

[Grey Fox]

And that would be the correct interpretation of the facts at hand.

[Josquius]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

[HVC]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

[Sheilbh]

And that would be the correct interpretation of the facts at hand.

There's left and right in Westminster. Broadly the threats and intimidation are experienced by MPs on all sides, which is what that article's about and I think the diagnosis is a little different based on their own experience as she sets out.

From the Creasy article she lists:
Herself - Her home was protested by anti-war protesters in 2015 as she supported UK participating in the anti-ISIS actions in Syria (this was also a pro/anti-Corbyn thing). She's also a very prominent campaigner on abortion and has regularly had her home and offices "protested" by anti-abortion groups. This is normally Catholics praying loudly and judgementally at people with really disgusting placrards etc (if you've ever seen the American right go into their "Britain has fallen" stuff over people getting arrested for praying - it's normally these guys).
Jo Cox - Labour MP murdered by a far right terrorist during the Brexit campaign.
David Amess - Tory MP murdered by an Islamist terrorist during a constituency surgery.
Mike Freer - Tory MP who has recently announced he won't run for re-election because of the level of threats and intimidation he's received. He's MP for a constituency with a large Jewish population. He was threatened during a constituency surgery in a mosque by the Muslims Against Crusades who are an extremist group, the police innformed him that the killer of David Amess had also visited Freer's offices and that he was possibly also a target. Shortly after the war in Gaza started his constituency office was destroyed in an arson attack.
Tobias Ellwood - Tory MP and chair of the Defence Select Committee. His constituency family home in Dorset was the target of pro-Gaza protests (and I'd suggest it's very unlikely to be Islamists in South Dorset). The police advised that him and his family should not go home and should stay away, as if they arrived it would "antagonise the situation". Of note, Ellwood was present during the attack by an Islamist terrorist on the Houses of Parliament where a police officer was stabbed. He was on the scene at the time and tried to save the police officers life.

Worth noting that all of those are backbench MPs - and all have experiences of off-line threats, violence and intimidation.

It's also aboslutely true that minority MPs, like Diane Abbott, receive even more abuse; that women have it far worse than men; and that Muslim MPs receive horrendous Islamophobic threats and abuse particularly online.

But I'm not sure that you can just exclude the right, Tory MPs (and staffers etc) and their experience from a conversation about threats and intimidation in public life. I think it's a problem that MPs in all parties are experiencing and it's not, exclusively, an Islamist and far right phenomenon. In a way I think the problem is that lots of people just immediately whatabout and are unable to chew gum and walk at the same time - which I think is mainly a problem (except for a few very partisan hacks) outside of Westminster. I think most MPs get it because it's a shared, common experience.

But I absolutely get the question but I think this is an area where the UK and the US are not the same.

[Josquius]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right


In that case it was just a mistype considering the topic.

[HVC]

I'm a lefty if it makes you feel any better. Well more centre left as I age.

[Razgovory]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right


In that case it was just a mistype considering the topic.

Dude, you thought I was a Trump supporter.

[Barrister]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right


In that case it was just a mistype considering the topic.

Not everyone.

Just you.

[Tamas]

As I have been saying there is no discernible practical difference between the "right" and the "far-right" anymore. In every bloody country that matters, the so-called "right" stands aside while the far-right dominates their space. If they want to be treated as a separate political entity they can start prioritising that above "owning the libs" to get things rolling.

[Josquius]

   

Not everyone.

Just you.

Again evidently not. Its a well established cliche that gets thrown about all the time.

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right


In that case it was just a mistype considering the topic.

Dude, you thought I was a Trump supporter.

Based on your views on Palestine youre indistinguishable.

[Gups]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right

No, just you

[Gups]

Sorry didn't see B had got there first

[Josquius]

In josq's world all right is far right

Yeah, you guys keep saying that despite it being demonstrably false.

when everyone says it you might want to reconsider your view

It's such a lame right wing cliche. You just say everyone who calls someone far right, far right, actually thinks anyone right of them is far right

No, just you

Nope. Very common as a cope/smoke screen from those sympathetic to the far right to insist anyone daring to call a horse a horse is just so far left they call everyone far right.

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2018/06/19/the-peculiar-far-right-smear/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-right-wing-became-the-smear-for-those-we-disagree-with/


It clearly isn't true for me or indeed most people the smear is used against.