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[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

Started by Josephus, March 22, 2011, 09:27:34 PM

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Jacob

So what's the deal with Poilievre floating the idea of requiring proof of age to browse porn in Canada?

Does he genuinely believe there is a significant problem, and this is a good solution?

Does he think it's a vote getter?

Does he not really care and owes someone action on this brief, and he figures his lead is big enough that he can deliver without jeopardizing his shot at becoming Prime Minister?

What's going on here?

HVC

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That's really the main issue.
Same with abortion.  People can't keep it zipped, so they have to control women's bodies.

Hey, he's the guy you're going to vote for, not me :D
pfft.  I'm not going to vote for any of these clowns.


Then I gave you less credit then you deserved :hug:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

HVC

Quote from: Jacob on Today at 02:08:19 AMSo what's the deal with Poilievre floating the idea of requiring proof of age to browse porn in Canada?

Does he genuinely believe there is a significant problem, and this is a good solution?

Does he think it's a vote getter?

Does he not really care and owes someone action on this brief, and he figures his lead is big enough that he can deliver without jeopardizing his shot at becoming Prime Minister?

What's going on here?

He seems to be going for election by sound bite (or YouTube clip). Throwing stuff out there to see what sticks without any actual plans to accomplish any of his claims, or it seems, conviction. Which in of itself is dangerous since with his core demographic the further to American right the better, and he seems to be the type to run with that tide. Trump of the north.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Jacob on Today at 02:08:19 AMSo what's the deal with Poilievre floating the idea of requiring proof of age to browse porn in Canada?
To an extent it may be something that's on its way to Canada anyway.

There's a similar law in the UK (Online Safety Act) and the EU (Digital Services Act). Both of which have been very, very limited so far and it's proving difficult to roll out. My understanding is that Californian legislators have also been looking at this - if it happens in California and the EU then it'll basically happen everywhere unless it's a very shady site or very, very Canadian focused porn :lol:

In both the UK and the EU it's been mainly focused on responsibilities of platforms and the theory has been that whatever is lawful or unlawful in the real world should also be lawful or unlawful in the digital world. But so far I don't think age gating has actually been required because it's really difficult to do - here there's definitely lots of preparatory legislation to eventually introduce a form of digial ID that you would be able to use online in the way you could use your driving licence to buy a porn mag in person. But we're a long way off that and there's lots of issues with it.

QuoteDoes he genuinely believe there is a significant problem, and this is a good solution?
I'm not a parent and I'm late-30s. I think there's real concerns around what underage kids can see online and the effect that's having - in particular on boys. I've read many pieces by young women about how their sexual experience with boys and the sexual expectations of those boys have been kind of fucked up by porn. I don't know the extent to which it's really an issue.

Most women around my age who I know have all had choking in sex, but also hair-pulling, face slap, spitting - all were in the context of consensual sex, with normal guys. But generally it wasn't something that those women particularly wanted (it was in the context of complaining about men) or enjoyed, but was ultimately seen by them and the men as ultimately relatively normal acts in sex (at around the line of light spanking). I think some of that at least is shaped by the easy access to porn and what porn sex looks like (and who it's for: men). I do think we probably need conversation around it. And there is a big generational shift - I think women over 40 find that shocking but anecdotally from those same women around my age, I've heard that they've had (from their pov) alarming chats with younger women and what's "normal" for them. Again I think it's around the extent to which porn is perhaps actually creating the sense for boys of what is normal in sex.

Having said that I'm not sure age-gating will work. I think there are wider, bigger problems with age-gating as an idea. Also this may just be a shift in sexual mores - although I'm not overly thrilled if the shift in sexual mores seems to be for the men (groundbreaking)... And, frankly, I think it's a wider common thing (not to terrify the parents on here :lol:) of not really knowing what their kids see online. It may be something that actually there is a conversation about around consent within consensual sex - and also, the purpose of sex, which should be both people enjoying themselves. But I've spoken to colleagues in their 50s who have no idea where their late teen kids get their news. And can you have a conversation about something if you don't know what's been seen?
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