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Started by Eddie Teach, January 31, 2016, 05:47:52 AM

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Say you're at the Iowa Democratic caucus- who do you vote for?

Sanders
31 (46.3%)
Clinton
25 (37.3%)
Littlefinger
5 (7.5%)
Sanders, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
2 (3%)
Clinton, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
0 (0%)
Write in for Biden :(
1 (1.5%)
Write in for Trump :wacko:
3 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 66

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Valmy

#60
February 01, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 01, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?

Clearly not enough B-17s were targeted on the water coolers and barbecues of Cal's German compatriots.

Well they were targeted but they missed and hit Dresden instead. Accuracy was not the WWII era USAF's strong suit.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Zanza

#61
February 01, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?
No, why? We even kept some of the things the Nazis introduced. Germany didn't start on a green field in 1945, a lot of institutions were kept.

Barrister

#62
February 01, 2016, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 01, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?

Clearly not enough B-17s were targeted on the water coolers and barbecues of Cal's German compatriots.

Well they were targeted but they missed and hit Dresden instead. Accuracy was not the WWII era USAF's strong suit.

The USAF didn't exist in WWII. :whistle:
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grumbler

#63
February 01, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 01, 2016, 01:03:09 PM
I don't think describing Germany's system as "single payer" is correct. ...
True, I was being sloppy in my wording.  What I meant was that the German system allowed for opt-outs under certain very stringent conditions.  I think a US system would probably have to have such an opt-out to get established.
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Valmy

#64
February 01, 2016, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2016, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 01, 2016, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?

Clearly not enough B-17s were targeted on the water coolers and barbecues of Cal's German compatriots.

Well they were targeted but they missed and hit Dresden instead. Accuracy was not the WWII era USAF's strong suit.

The USAF didn't exist in WWII. :whistle:

Which is ironic being as that is one of the few times having a separate air service made any sense.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

#65
February 01, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 01, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?
No, why? We even kept some of the things the Nazis introduced. Germany didn't start on a green field in 1945, a lot of institutions were kept.

The legend of the 1980s is that Germany and Japan were able to leverage their 'being bombed into powder' status to reform their institutions on more rational lines and then out compete the victors. Another "fact" told to me as a child shown to be a lie :weep:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#66
February 01, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
Okay, am I the only one noticing that Grumbler keeps saying "Saunders" rather then "Sanders".  Are we all talking about the same guy, or does he have another candidate in mind?
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Eddie Teach

#67
February 01, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
Okay, am I the only one noticing that Grumbler keeps saying "Saunders" rather then "Sanders".  Are we all talking about the same guy, or does he have another candidate in mind?

Private joke, between grumbler and himself.
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Zanza

#68
February 01, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
The legend of the 1980s is that Germany and Japan were able to leverage their 'being bombed into powder' status to reform their institutions on more rational lines and then out compete the victors. Another "fact" told to me as a child shown to be a lie :weep:
Unless it was specifically outlawed by the Allies as part of denazification and demilitarisation, chances are it was kept. In general laws enacted by the Nazis were still valid after the war and some of them are still around (e.g. certain tax rules, some parts of criminal law). A part of the Weimar Constitution also was included into our postwar constitution.

Zanza

#69
February 01, 2016, 03:32:21 PM

Berkut

#70
February 01, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 01, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
The legend of the 1980s is that Germany and Japan were able to leverage their 'being bombed into powder' status to reform their institutions on more rational lines and then out compete the victors. Another "fact" told to me as a child shown to be a lie :weep:
Unless it was specifically outlawed by the Allies as part of denazification and demilitarisation, chances are it was kept. In general laws enacted by the Nazis were still valid after the war and some of them are still around (e.g. certain tax rules, some parts of criminal law). A part of the Weimar Constitution also was included into our postwar constitution.

That is ridiculous.

The Allies spent incredible amounts of money creating a greenfield for the Germans and Japanese to build on - it pains me to find out that they did not take full advantage of such a generous opportunity.
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garbon

#71
February 01, 2016, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 01, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
Okay, am I the only one noticing that Grumbler keeps saying "Saunders" rather then "Sanders".  Are we all talking about the same guy, or does he have another candidate in mind?

Private joke, between grumbler and himself.



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grumbler

#72
February 01, 2016, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 01, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
Okay, am I the only one noticing that Grumbler keeps saying "Saunders" rather then "Sanders".  Are we all talking about the same guy, or does he have another candidate in mind?

Private joke, between grumbler and himself.
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MadBurgerMaker

#73
February 01, 2016, 05:42:26 PM

?

While looking for a photo of this guy (Bernie Saunders), I found out ESPN's John Saunders is his brother. 

Martinus

#74
February 01, 2016, 05:45:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 01, 2016, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 01, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
Okay, am I the only one noticing that Grumbler keeps saying "Saunders" rather then "Sanders".  Are we all talking about the same guy, or does he have another candidate in mind?

Private joke, between grumbler and himself.



:unsure:

She'd get my vote.

As she is not on the ballot, I voted Clinton.
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