Are date rape drugs an urban myth?

[katmai]

Is marti trying to find some and not finding success?

[Eddie Teach]

Is marti trying to find some and not finding success?

Perhaps his firm found out he's not really a lawyer and cut the tap? 

[Martinus]

Is marti trying to find some and not finding success?

Translate into English please.

[Eddie Teach]

Is marti trying to find some and not finding success?

Translate into English please.

Marty: hello Sailor!
Gay dude at bar gives Marty a dirty look and moves away
Marty: hey, how you doin?
Another gay dude shrugs and turns away
Marty: does anyone here want to FUCK me? I have lots of money, btw.
/crickets

[viper37]

Is it true that alcohol is a factor in the majority of violent crimes? I read that somewhere, but it may have been a rhetorical flourish.

It's possible that 100% of violent crimes perpetrator drank water in the week prior to committing a crime.  I sense a pattern here.

[Barrister]

But when I point out the overwhelming #1 date rape drug is alcohol, all the men get quite defensive and start talking about false rape accusations.

It's a problem with the terminology. Drinking is a large part of the culture; using the 'date rape' label for booze may appear on the surface to be pathologizing common partying.

What would make booze a 'date rape drug' is the deliberate spiking of someone's drink with excess booze for the specific purpose of taking advantage of their subsequent inability to consent.

Perhaps not to take advantage of inability to consent, but is it not incredibly common for boys to buy drinks for girls, to add alcohol to a punch, encourage them to play drinking games, with the express purpose of hoping to reduce inhibitions so that they'll sleep with them?

[viper37]

There is a pretty clear line actually.  If you are in any doubt, don't do it.

I'm talking about 2 drunk people having sex, and the morning after one of them says he/she was too drunk to consent.  Didn't it happen with some NBA player?

[crazy canuck]

There is a pretty clear line actually.  If you are in any doubt, don't do it.

I'm talking about 2 drunk people having sex, and the morning after one of them says he/she was too drunk to consent.  Didn't it happen with some NBA player?

The best advice there is dont get drunk.

[viper37]

If a girl is walking and talking, you're probably fine.  If you say "Wanna shag" and she says "yes" then she's consented.
If you say "wanna shag" and she just stares off in the distance, then she hasn't consented.

as I said, there's a difference between two drunk people having sex and a girl being passed out.  Yet, I fear the tribunals don't make much differences.

There was a recent case in Quebec city where the girl decided to take GHB to party.  She took GHB, she went into a bar, had some drinks, met a guy, went home with the guy where they had sex.  During the night she woke up, fled naked in the street and called for help because she was raped, she had no memory how she got there.

The guy was caught by police after dumping her clothes in a thrash bin.

Granted, that last part wasn't a bright move.  But even if the girl admitted she voluntarily used the drug to party, putting herself vulnerable, the guy was condemned for rape because she was unable to give consent.

As others said, double standard here.  If I do drugs and I commit a crime, I am responsible.  If a girl do drugs and has sex, she can claim it was a rape because she was unable to reason properly about what she was doing.

[MadImmortalMan]

The best advice there is dont get drunk.

Or leave your house after dark. Or before dark.

[HVC]

There is a pretty clear line actually.  If you are in any doubt, don't do it.

I'm talking about 2 drunk people having sex, and the morning after one of them says he/she was too drunk to consent.  Didn't it happen with some NBA player?

The best advice there is dont get drunk.

wallet sized consent forms

[MadImmortalMan]

As others said, double standard here.  If I do drugs and I commit a crime, I am responsible.  If a girl do drugs and has sex, she can claim it was a rape because she was unable to reason properly about what she was doing.

Well, kids can't give consent either. Maybe drunk/high people should be charged for their crimes as juveniles. 

[crazy canuck]

The best advice there is dont get drunk.

Or leave your house after dark. Or before dark.

If you think you put yourself at risk to rape someone if you leave your house you should probably get some professional help asap.

[MadImmortalMan]

The best advice there is dont get drunk.

Or leave your house after dark. Or before dark.

If you think you put yourself at risk to rape someone if you leave your house you should probably get some professional help asap.

I thought you were talking to the victims! 

[mongers]

Is marti trying to find some and not finding success?

Translate into English please.

You're putting out, but no one is leaving empties on your doorstep.