How not to do public transit

[11B4V]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

[jimmy olsen]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

Depends on the country. Every one uses it in Korea.

[11B4V]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

Depends on the country. Every one uses it in Korea.

Exactly

[jimmy olsen]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

Depends on the country. Every one uses it in Korea.

Exactly

S. Korea's per capita GDP is $27,513, two spots behind Italy and one ahead of Spain for 28th in the world by IMF's 2015 rankings. Not a poor country.

[lustindarkness]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

Depends on the country. Every one uses it in Korea.

Exactly

S. Korea's per capita GDP is $27,513, two spots behind Italy and one ahead of Spain for 28th in the world by IMF's 2015 rankings. Not a poor country.

So you are saying they are all hobo's?

[Barrister]

City Public Transportation is for hobo's and poor people.

I take the bus and train to work everyday (though thankfully not the accursed Metro Line mentioned in the article).

[Josquius]

City Public Transportationcars is for hobo's lazy and poor people.

Grammatically dubiously fixed

[celedhring]

Light trains are a delicate affair. The ones we have in Barcelona work pretty well, but they now want to extend the line through the busiest thoroughfare in town and I'm afraid it will have similar effects to Edmonton - creating more trouble than it solves.

[garbon]

Owning a car isn't cheap.

[Duque de Bragança]

This means, as noticed elsewhere, than tramways/light trail sharing the road with cars is not optimal. Ergo, separate but more expensive tracks are better. Not exactly groundbreaking, the messy U-Bahn/Straßenbahn in Frankfurt sharing the streets with cars and busses was not exactly great too.

[Eddie Teach]

City Public Transportationcars is for hobo's lazy and poor people.

Cause the cool kids all have space ships.

[Barrister]

This means, as noticed elsewhere, than tramways/light trail sharing the road with cars is not optimal. Ergo, separate but more expensive tracks are better. Not exactly groundbreaking, the messy U-Bahn/Straßenbahn in Frankfurt sharing the streets with cars and busses was not exactly great too.

I don't think that's the lesson here.  Edmonton's existing system is mostly above-ground and crosses many roads - it works out just fine.

The rant I linked to only touches on the problem, which is that the signalling system for the new line simply doesn't work.  It is supposed to mesh with the existing system which was built 30-40 years ago, and it just doesn't do the job.  The new line was fully built but sat idle for almost a year because they couldn't get the signals working.

Eventually in order to try and salvage something from the situation they opened the new line but it operates purely manually.  This means the trains are limited to a very leisurely 25 km/h, trains are limited to only 3 cars*, and traffic lights are all turned to red long before a train approaches an intersection.

So I don't know if the problem was with the city, or with the contractor.  It seems destined for a huge lawsuit eventually, though the two continue to try and work out a solution.  But it has been a major, though hopefully unique, fuck up.



*The three car trains are my pet peeve, since I don't ride on the new Metro line.  But those trains do eventually hoook up to the part of the system I ride on.  So now, instead of every train being 5 cars at peak hours, every 2nd or 3rd train is only 3 cars, which makes it incredibly crowded.

[The Brain]

This means, as noticed elsewhere, than tramways/light trail sharing the road with cars is not optimal. Ergo, separate but more expensive tracks are better. Not exactly groundbreaking, the messy U-Bahn/Straßenbahn in Frankfurt sharing the streets with cars and busses was not exactly great too.

I don't think that's the lesson here.  Edmonton's existing system is mostly above-ground and crosses many roads - it works out just fine.

The rant I linked to only touches on the problem, which is that the signalling system for the new line simply doesn't work.  It is supposed to mesh with the existing system which was built 30-40 years ago, and it just doesn't do the job.  The new line was fully built but sat idle for almost a year because they couldn't get the signals working.

Eventually in order to try and salvage something from the situation they opened the new line but it operates purely manually.  This means the trains are limited to a very leisurely 25 km/h, trains are limited to only 3 cars*, and traffic lights are all turned to red long before a train approaches an intersection.

So I don't know if the problem was with the city, or with the contractor.  It seems destined for a huge lawsuit eventually, though the two continue to try and work out a solution.  But it has been a major, though hopefully unique, fuck up.



*The three car trains are my pet peeve, since I don't ride on the new Metro line.  But those trains do eventually hoook up to the part of the system I ride on.  So now, instead of every train being 5 cars at peak hours, every 2nd or 3rd train is only 3 cars, which makes it incredibly crowded.

[Barrister]

Indeed.

[Duque de Bragança]

This means, as noticed elsewhere, than tramways/light rail sharing the road with cars is not optimal. Ergo, separate but more expensive tracks are better. Not exactly groundbreaking, the messy U-Bahn/Straßenbahn in Frankfurt sharing the streets with cars and busses was not exactly great too.

I don't think that's the lesson here.  Edmonton's existing system is mostly above-ground and crosses many roads - it works out just fine.

The rant I linked to only touches on the problem, which is that the signalling system for the new line simply doesn't work.  It is supposed to mesh with the existing system which was built 30-40 years ago, and it just doesn't do the job.  The new line was fully built but sat idle for almost a year because they couldn't get the signals working.

Eventually in order to try and salvage something from the situation they opened the new line but it operates purely manually.  This means the trains are limited to a very leisurely 25 km/h, trains are limited to only 3 cars*, and traffic lights are all turned to red long before a train approaches an intersection.

So I don't know if the problem was with the city, or with the contractor.  It seems destined for a huge lawsuit eventually, though the two continue to try and work out a solution.  But it has been a major, though hopefully unique, fuck up.

I see what you mean, the signaling makes it even worse, almost in a laughable manner, but even in normal conditions problems are to be expected. Above-ground system can be separated from the roads too.
OTOH, i remember the fiasco when they chose a pneumatic tramway network for a French city with lots of snow during the winter. Sounds incredible? Well, it's Clermont-Ferrand, Michelin capital.