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The Brain

#675
December 28, 2018, 05:05:44 AM
Everything done with the approval of the IP holder at the time is canon.
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Syt

#676
February 06, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
Finally watched Solo. Mindless and ultimately somewhat forgettable action flick, but I was ok with that. Interesting to see how elements of the non-movie canon are crossing over to the big screen, like the Pyke, or Kessel, which were previously only seen in Clone Wars. The battle sequence with the Imperials on Mimban made me wish we would get a proper war movie at some point.

In tone and writing, this mostly felt like something that could have been a longer arc in the Rebels animated series.

I doubt that there's going to be a sequel. However, I could imagine that there could be some cross-over with Maul and potentially Emily Clarke's character in the Mandalorian series. Their paychecks should be affordable for a Disney TV show.
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KRonn

#677
February 06, 2019, 07:50:59 PM
I saw Solo a while back and it was ok, though not a strong showing in the series. But it was kinda cool seeing his back story.

celedhring

#678
February 07, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
Everything in Solo that wasn't fanservice was actually decent. Harrelson's and Clarke's characters were pretty interesting, and they probably do a better job of portraying what Han Solo's arc should have been than Han Solo himself.

Habbaku

#679
February 07, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: celedhring on February 07, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
Everything in Solo that wasn't fanservice was actually decent.

Yep. The movie was actually pleasantly surprising, but still pretty run-of-the-mill due to the fan-service junk weighing it down.

I wanted to see more Stormtrooper trench warfare.  :(
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Syt

#680
February 07, 2019, 01:42:43 PM
Btw, I'm really looking forward to the new Clone Wars episodes that are being worked on. When Clone Wars was canceled, some of the scripts were very advanced in production, some stories were considered canon, and some were later put into comic form (I think the planned Darth Maul arc was an example).
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Syt

#681
February 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 07, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
Everything in Solo that wasn't fanservice was actually decent. Harrelson's and Clarke's characters were pretty interesting, and they probably do a better job of portraying what Han Solo's arc should have been than Han Solo himself.

The Han Solo or the Indiana Jones fan service? :P

I admit the soundtrack was completely forgettable, except for the call outs to the TIE-Fighter attack in ANH and the Asteroid Field music in ESB. Not gonna lie, those moments gave me chills.

When I first saw the marauders my first thought was, "Wait, are those like the Cloud Riders from the old Marvel comics?" Apparently the similarity was unintentional, but when the production crew noticed, they adopted the gang's name. Also, one of their rides is a Arrogantus-X Skyblade-221, a reference to Serji-X Arrogantus from the (daft) Marvel story (the Marvel arc was basically Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven ... except they were 8).
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Delirium

#682
February 09, 2019, 09:02:37 AM
I liked Solo a lot when I watched it last week. Unfortunately I felt bold enough to watch Last Jedi just after and that one really really sucked. Of the later movies Rogue One and Solo have been the ones with decent amounts of quality and proper Star Wars feel to them, Force Awakens and Last Jedi just poor quality in just about everything.
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grumbler

#683
February 09, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
I agree that the main plotline movies have been mediocre to bad since about the third movie, but that the movies set in the universe have been pretty good.  The problem is, I think, that the whole concept of the Force wasn't very well thought out, and so the main plot about the use of the Force for good or evil just never jelled.  It seems that any directors who want to make a movie that features the Force should, by that very desire, be disqualified from making one. 

It doesn't help that FA and TLJ were bad movies in every way, even ignoring the bad plots.  Even the Ep 1-3 movies were better (assuming that the silly JarJar Binks stuff was supposed to pay off and Lucas just lost his nerve).
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Zoupa

#684
February 09, 2019, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Delirium on February 09, 2019, 09:02:37 AM
I liked Solo a lot when I watched it last week. Unfortunately I felt bold enough to watch Last Jedi just after and that one really really sucked. Of the later movies Rogue One and Solo have been the ones with decent amounts of quality and proper Star Wars feel to them, Force Awakens and Last Jedi just poor quality in just about everything.

THANK YOU! I feel exactly the same way.

frunk

#685
February 09, 2019, 01:02:38 PM
FA was ok, a retread of the previous stories with the Abrams "I enjoyed that, as long as I don't think about it at all and realize how it's incredibly dumb" tax.  I actually liked TLJ a bit just for being so wacky and different even though it had serious failings.

Rogue One is definitely the best post Empire Star Wars movie.  I haven't finished Solo.  It felt like such a generic heist flick with a genre wrapping I quit about 2/3rds through.

I'll still take any of them over the prequels though.

celedhring

#686
February 09, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
TLJ was a failed movie... I appreciate what they were aiming for (subverting the saga's cliches) but the execution was really flawed and unexciting - at the end of the day there's a reason why those clichés are clichés, so if you want to do away with them, you better have something really good in place.

Also, there were some genuine "am I watching a prequel?" moments (the space casino sequence) that scared the hell out of me.

FunkMonk

#687
February 09, 2019, 06:20:23 PM
TLJ definitely took some inspiration from Lucas's prequels. Of the new movies I suspect it's Lucas's favorite.

I'm of the opinion that all the movies after ESB suck, though ROTJ is acceptable. Prequels were embarrassing, TFA was wank fan service, TLJ blew up like the Death Star (or should I say Starkiller Base?), Rogue One was utterly wooden fan service, and I never saw Solo because I don't think I'm ever going to watch another new Star Wars movie ever again.

I freely admit I suppose I just don't like Star Wars anymore ( except for the OT)  :P
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Valmy

#688
February 09, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
Right there with you FunkMonk.
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Delirium

#689
February 09, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
One advantage that Rogue One and Solo share may be that they do not try to do too much, they just need to be cool films set in the Star Wars universe, no depth required, no need to reinvent anything. Ep 7 and 8 try to do that because they need to shake off ep 1-3 but just do not succeed...I just cannot see any redeeming qualities in FA or LJ at all. Plot, script, characters, everything is just too weak. Very disappointing. Phantom Menace looks really good now, in comparison...at least there is some logic and fairly interesting characters there. Plus the Queen's Gambit board game is quite good.
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