Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Barrister]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

[DGuller]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Trevor Noah once said that in South Africa they call it "black tax", not "white privilege", precisely because telling a poor white person that they have "white privilege" is cruel, lacking in empathy, and is not productive in getting them to see your point.

[Malthus]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

I think a fundamental aspect of the problem is often who is doing the telling.

Often it is coming from people the poor, rural and white consider "privileged" in relation to themselves, and so comes across badly.

[Eddie Teach]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Trevor Noah once said that in South Africa they call it "black tax", not "white privilege", precisely because telling a poor white person that they have "white privilege" is cruel, lacking in empathy, and is not productive in getting them to see your point.

That's also a more accurate description of what is meant. Being treated like a human being is a right, not a privilege.

[garbon]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

I think a fundamental aspect of the problem is often who is doing the telling.

Often it is coming from people the poor, rural and white consider "privileged" in relation to themselves, and so comes across badly.

I very much doubt they would be any less sore if it were a poor black person telling them.

[garbon]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Well that is where intersectionality comes in...

[Barrister]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Well that is where intersectionality comes in...

Sure.  And I've long said intersectionality does have some important lessons to teach us.

It's only when we only use intersectionality (as university campuses and the online left are wont to do) and we reduce people down only to the various groups and identities they belong to we come back to telling disadvantaged whites that they have "white privilege".

[garbon]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Well that is where intersectionality comes in...

Sure.  And I've long said intersectionality does have some important lessons to teach us.

It's only when we only use intersectionality (as university campuses and the online left are wont to do) and we reduce people down only to the various groups and identities they belong to we come back to telling disadvantaged whites that they have "white privilege".

But I think that's also missing the point of white privilege as a term. After all it isn't something to beat poor whites with or something to convince them they are living the good life. It is a critical examination of advantages thst white people receive and create in our societies even while they might just perceive that as standard living.

[Valmy]

I replaced and bolded the part of my quote that is most relevant to what you just said.  If white folks think they have a lived experience that causes them to think they have it tough, they should probably reflect on how much more difficult it would have been for them in the same circumstances, with dark skin.

Why would you want to make white folks who dont understand the principle of white privilege feel better?

Because it makes it sound like you are going to take something away from them. They have privileges that should be removed. When that is not the point at all. The term used is misleading. I don't think anybody is saying "wow that white guy in prison for a non-violent charge should have it rougher! That privileged motherfucker!!11" when actually addressing White Privilege would probably help those people, not hurt them.

And when you want to create change to make a more just society what branding you adopt is important. And when your branding fails you shouldn't turn to the public and berate them for being too stupid to understand your branding

But this is just more about the term itself, not this meme which is mostly about having to pay taxes...which last I checked don't change depending on what color your skin is.

[crazy canuck]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

A white person misunderstanding what white privilege means is all the more reason to continue to use the phrase.  Maybe one day they will understand what it means.

[crazy canuck]

I replaced and bolded the part of my quote that is most relevant to what you just said.  If white folks think they have a lived experience that causes them to think they have it tough, they should probably reflect on how much more difficult it would have been for them in the same circumstances, with dark skin.

Why would you want to make white folks who dont understand the principle of white privilege feel better?

Because it makes it sound like you are going to take something away from them. They have privileges that should be removed. When that is not the point at all. The term used is misleading. I don't think anybody is saying "wow that white guy in prison for a non-violent charge should have it rougher! That privileged motherfucker!!11" when actually addressing White Privilege would probably help those people, not hurt them.

And when you want to create change to make a more just society what branding you adopt is important. And when your branding fails you shouldn't turn to the public and berate them for being too stupid to understand your branding

But this is just more about the term itself, not this meme which is mostly about having to pay taxes...which last I checked don't change depending on what color your skin is.

Same answer I gave to BB, a white person misunderstanding what white privilege means is all the more reason to continue to use the phrase.  Maybe one day they will understand what it means.

I also reject your notion that this is a mere branding exercise that needs to be accepted by whites who are really part of the problem.

[Berkut]

I really think people should re-consider their use of language on some of these identity issues.

I work in the trenches of poverty because of the job I do.  I have no doubt it is better to be poor and white than poor and indigenous.

But to tell a poor white person that they have "white privilege" has got to be extremely aggravating.  This person doesn't feel privileged in any way, and by any objective standard they are not.  It's the kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the message you're trying to send.

Trevor Noah once said that in South Africa they call it "black tax", not "white privilege", precisely because telling a poor white person that they have "white privilege" is cruel, lacking in empathy, and is not productive in getting them to see your point.

I am consistenly astouded by the left ability to take a common sense idea, and label it in a way that just hands the right the very tool to dismiss the idea.

White privilege.

Defund the Police.

I mean....what the actual fuck?

[Berkut]

I replaced and bolded the part of my quote that is most relevant to what you just said.  If white folks think they have a lived experience that causes them to think they have it tough, they should probably reflect on how much more difficult it would have been for them in the same circumstances, with dark skin.

Why would you want to make white folks who dont understand the principle of white privilege feel better?

Because it makes it sound like you are going to take something away from them. They have privileges that should be removed. When that is not the point at all. The term used is misleading. I don't think anybody is saying "wow that white guy in prison for a non-violent charge should have it rougher! That privileged motherfucker!!11" when actually addressing White Privilege would probably help those people, not hurt them.

And when you want to create change to make a more just society what branding you adopt is important. And when your branding fails you shouldn't turn to the public and berate them for being too stupid to understand your branding

But this is just more about the term itself, not this meme which is mostly about having to pay taxes...which last I checked don't change depending on what color your skin is.

Same answer I gave to BB, a white person misunderstanding what white privilege means is all the more reason to continue to use the phrase.  Maybe one day they will understand what it means.

I also reject your notion that this is a mere branding exercise that needs to be accepted by whites who are really part of the problem.

It's a public debate where we are trying to convince people to change their mindsets about public policy.

Feeling superior is super awesome for you, but is actually counter productive in nearly every way.

[HVC]

Don't mind him, he just has tall privilege

[Eddie Teach]

Also rich privilege, which is the most valuable one.