Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[The Brain]

If you die because you can't get resources due to the Coronavirus, you have died because of the Coronavirus.

Yes and no.  Let's say you take a group of 1000 people with a certain kind of cancer, and randomly assign them to two oncologists.  The first oncologist has 5% of his patients die.  The second oncologist, unlike the first oncologist, gets overwhelmed with having to treat 500 patients on once, makes poor time management decisions, and has 10% of his patients die.  All 75 of the people who died died of cancer, and yet not all of these deaths were unavoidable.

Because there was a third doctor in the wings? Because you could have given the best doctor more patients?

[DGuller]

If you die because you can't get resources due to the Coronavirus, you have died because of the Coronavirus.

Yes and no.  Let's say you take a group of 1000 people with a certain kind of cancer, and randomly assign them to two oncologists.  The first oncologist has 5% of his patients die.  The second oncologist, unlike the first oncologist, gets overwhelmed with having to treat 500 patients on once, makes poor time management decisions, and has 10% of his patients die.  All 75 of the people who died died of cancer, and yet not all of these deaths were unavoidable.

Because there was a third doctor in the wings? Because you could have given the best doctor more patients?

You could've given both doctors training on how to handle a glut of patients, ahead of time, and not rely on either doctor figuring it out successfully on the fly.

[The Brain]

If you die because you can't get resources due to the Coronavirus, you have died because of the Coronavirus.

Yes and no.  Let's say you take a group of 1000 people with a certain kind of cancer, and randomly assign them to two oncologists.  The first oncologist has 5% of his patients die.  The second oncologist, unlike the first oncologist, gets overwhelmed with having to treat 500 patients on once, makes poor time management decisions, and has 10% of his patients die.  All 75 of the people who died died of cancer, and yet not all of these deaths were unavoidable.

Because there was a third doctor in the wings? Because you could have given the best doctor more patients?

You could've given both doctors training on how to handle a glut of patients, ahead of time, and not rely on either doctor figuring it out successfully on the fly.

Coulda woulda shoulda. Don't live your life through the rear-view mirror.

[grumbler]

It also seems like the fatality rate of people being put on ventilators is 80% in NY, and only 50% elsewhere. 

Not true.  50% of the patents normally put on ventilators die, but the figure of over 50% for corona virus exists elsewhere. Much as I would like to believe your theory that somehow NYC doctors are fundamentally different than doctors elsewhere, I don't think that there is actual evidence of that.

[DGuller]

It also seems like the fatality rate of people being put on ventilators is 80% in NY, and only 50% elsewhere. 

Not true.  50% of the patents normally put on ventilators die, but the figure of over 50% for corona virus exists elsewhere. Much as I would like to believe your theory that somehow NYC doctors are fundamentally different than doctors elsewhere, I don't think that there is actual evidence of that.

Point taken, you are indeed correct that ventilators are less effective for COVID-19 patients across the board, and 80% may not even necessarily be completely out of line.  In any case, I really do hope that the catastrophically high death rate per positive case in NY and especially NYC is solely due to severe under-testing, and not due the level of care for whatever ultimate reason.

[The Minsky Moment]

According to this article in the Lancet, from March, a study of patients admitted to a Wuhan hospital showed a 86% mortality rate among patients put on mechanical invasive ventilation

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30110-7/fulltext

The UK ICNARC reported a 66% mortality rate

I'm not sure where the 50% comes from

Obviously the rate can vary for a lot of reasons.

[Josquius]

I suddenly think more of one of my cousins

[Maladict]

 

[Admiral Yi]

Nice 

[Eddie Teach]

Most bearded rednecks aren't preppers you know.

[Admiral Yi]

Most bearded rednecks aren't preppers you know.

Many bearded rednecks who open carry ARs on state capitol steps have at least a little prepper in them.

[Syt]

[Razgovory]

If you die because you can't get resources due to the Coronavirus, you have died because of the Coronavirus.

Yes and no.  Let's say you take a group of 1000 people with a certain kind of cancer, and randomly assign them to two oncologists.  The first oncologist has 5% of his patients die.  The second oncologist, unlike the first oncologist, gets overwhelmed with having to treat 500 patients on once, makes poor time management decisions, and has 10% of his patients die.  All 75 of the people who died died of cancer, and yet not all of these deaths were unavoidable.

Oh God, you're right!  I find myself in a realm between life and death!  These little red assholes are poking my ass with pitchforks but they are wearing face masks and they take breaks to watch Dr. Oz.  This is truly the worst of both worlds!

[Syt]

[Valmy]

Well at least they admit the Republicans are bad.