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crazy canuck

Quote from: derspiess on August 17, 2018, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 17, 2018, 12:00:02 PM
How many coaches in competitive NCAA programs do the same?

Quite a few do, I think.  Some players choose to listen, and many do not.

Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
At Texas we have a pretty big infrastructure, along with many employees, devoted to getting our athletes to complete their degrees and make our AD academic stats look good by getting good grades. I presume all similarly sized programs have similar things.

That is good to know  :)

Tonitrus

Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
At Texas we have a pretty big infrastructure, along with many employees, devoted to getting our athletes to complete their degrees and make our AD academic stats look good by getting good grades. I presume all similarly sized programs have similar things.

And how honest is it?   :P

Valmy

Quote from: Tonitrus on August 17, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
At Texas we have a pretty big infrastructure, along with many employees, devoted to getting our athletes to complete their degrees and make our AD academic stats look good by getting good grades. I presume all similarly sized programs have similar things.

And how honest is it?   :P

I suspect it depends on the sport. How much motivation is there to be crooked for the swim team?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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dps

Quote from: derspiess on August 17, 2018, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2018, 10:10:10 AM
Remember Bengals Running Back James Brooks?

Of course, local legend.

QuoteDude was illiterate and somehow had a degree from Auburn...I am sure there are less successful examples of that sort of thing.

Yep.  That was kind of a different time, though.  Not as much scrutiny as we have these days.


Plus, I mean, you know, Auburn.  I suspect many non-athlete graduates from there are illiterate.


:)

grumbler

I am a bit mystified as to why it is a bad thing to tell prospective pro athletes that the best way to get the coaching they need to succeed in turning their potential into performance, and to broaden their horizons even if they don't have pro abilities or desire, is playing for a university.   It gives them an incentive to do well in high school so as to maintain academic eligibility, and universities give them the exposure, the athletic coaching, the academic coaching, and the exposure to high-level peers and mentors that they just won't get from the minor leagues, the CFL, or overseas teams.  That all seems good.
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grumbler

Quote from: Tonitrus on August 17, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
At Texas we have a pretty big infrastructure, along with many employees, devoted to getting our athletes to complete their degrees and make our AD academic stats look good by getting good grades. I presume all similarly sized programs have similar things.

And how honest is it?   :P

It is as honest as the coaches make it, so, generally, pretty honest.  You'll have your occasional UNC, but widespread cheating is so hard to keep secret that I'm sure the vast majority of caches steer clear of it.
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Barrister

Quote from: grumbler on August 18, 2018, 08:17:22 AM
I am a bit mystified as to why it is a bad thing to tell prospective pro athletes that the best way to get the coaching they need to succeed in turning their potential into performance, and to broaden their horizons even if they don't have pro abilities or desire, is playing for a university.   It gives them an incentive to do well in high school so as to maintain academic eligibility, and universities give them the exposure, the athletic coaching, the academic coaching, and the exposure to high-level peers and mentors that they just won't get from the minor leagues, the CFL, or overseas teams.  That all seems good.

Just this one quibble - the CFL does not hire football players that haven't finished their college eligibility.  I can't say for sure that's a league mandated rule (although I think it is, but I'm not an expert on the CFL CBA), but I have never, ever heard of an 18-20 year old being hired into the CFL.
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grumbler

Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
Just this one quibble - the CFL does not hire football players that haven't finished their college eligibility.  I can't say for sure that's a league mandated rule (although I think it is, but I'm not an expert on the CFL CBA), but I have never, ever heard of an 18-20 year old being hired into the CFL.

Players are eligible to be drafted until after college eligibility, but only Canadian players are drafted.  So, you are quite correct for Canadian student-athletes.

I am told that there are no age restrictions for free agents (which all US players in the CFL are) and can't find any such limits.  Of course, no team would actually hire a player right out of high school when there are plenty of potential players who have gotten college coaching, diet, weight room, etc.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Syt

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So I created a meme that is a distorting strawman?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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Syt

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derspiess

Quote from: garbon on August 27, 2018, 03:09:23 AM
The spokesman for the community.

Pretty sure he is speaking for the Black Confederate community :P
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Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."